Free Agent Watch

[Monster]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

[Lipoli390]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

[kekgeek]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

Connaughton signed with the bucks a couple of days ago

[Monster]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

Sorry Lip both of those guys have already been signed although House might not stick in GS.

Why Brewer over Henderson? Henderson has a better resume as a 3 point shooter than Brewer. I hope you have read about the nature of the hip situation in the article. It seems fairly encouraging he can actually be healthy. I remember last summer you wanted Afflalo and I wanted Henderson (before Henderson elected to have surgery). I remember ultimately looking at advanced stats neither looked like a positive although Afflalo was worse...and he backed that up with another bad performance last season. =)

We are digging through guys here at this point. I thought Henderson was a worthwhile option to at least bring up. Honestly like you I'd rather go with a younger player (which is I think we may have both ended up last year also). The funny thing is that it seems like based on Glen's comments Thibs and Layden seem to be leaning the same way. They added a couple younger players at this juncture in FA last year also in MGH and eventually Bazz so its not like they are always looking for old the vets. My top youngish guy now is Brandon Paul.

[Lipoli390]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

Sorry Lip both of those guys have already been signed although House might not stick in GS.

Why Brewer over Henderson? Henderson has a better resume as a 3 point shooter than Brewer. I hope you have read about the nature of the hip situation in the article. It seems fairly encouraging he can actually be healthy. I remember last summer you wanted Afflalo and I wanted Henderson (before Henderson elected to have surgery). I remember ultimately looking at advanced stats neither looked like a positive although Afflalo was worse...and he backed that up with another bad performance last season. =)

We are digging through guys here at this point. I thought Henderson was a worthwhile option to at least bring up. Honestly like you I'd rather go with a younger player (which is I think we may have both ended up last year also). The funny thing is that it seems like based on Glen's comments Thibs and Layden seem to be leaning the same way. They added a couple younger players at this juncture in FA last year also in MGH and eventually Bazz so its not like they are always looking for old the vets. My top youngish guy now is Brandon Paul.

I've been out of town and falling behind on the free agent news. My hesitancy on Henderson is two-fold. First, I just don't have confidence in anyone coming back from hip surgery. Hip surgery and back surgery scare me off. Second, like you, I continue to prefer a younger player with some upside given the caliber of experienced vets still available. I'd take Brewer over Henderson because of Henderson's hip surgery and because I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire. In any event, I don't think there are any free agents who want to come play for Thibodeau unless absolutely no other team in interested in them. Brewer's the exception because he loves Minneapolis and his girl friend's family lives here.

How about Jimmer Fredette? I'd take flyer on him. He's a better 3-point shooter than any of the free agents still available and his defense can't be any worse than Crawford's. It's the sort of move that would make sense to fill our 13th or 14th roster spot given how seriously lacking we are in 3-point firepower and knowing we've lost Crawford and already added a defensive-minded wing in Okogie. But it's also the sort of move the totally inside-the-box team of Thibodeau and Layden would never make.

[worldK]

Lip, good point about jimmer. I would take a chance at him as the 3rd pg on the roster. I think we should look at specialists to round out the roster. Jimmer with his shooting could be useful in certain situations and no harm with him as our 13th-15th guy.

I will also sign brewer for a roster spot. Like everyone else, I hope we could sign a young guy who we can develop and become a contributor down the line. But i also saw us sign amile jefferson and anthony brown on 2 way contracts the whole season and they are now both on other teams. Mgh is likely not coming back. We are just not a organization that develop young undrafted guys.

We have josh, kbd and patton on the roster that has not prove they belong in the nba yet. I like all 3 and would hope we can develop them to be rotation players. Brewer as a vet who plays hard and who is respected and liked by teammates can help more than another young guy that we wont play or develop.

[kekgeek]

Jimmer has another year left in China before he can return to the NBA

[Monster]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

Sorry Lip both of those guys have already been signed although House might not stick in GS.

Why Brewer over Henderson? Henderson has a better resume as a 3 point shooter than Brewer. I hope you have read about the nature of the hip situation in the article. It seems fairly encouraging he can actually be healthy. I remember last summer you wanted Afflalo and I wanted Henderson (before Henderson elected to have surgery). I remember ultimately looking at advanced stats neither looked like a positive although Afflalo was worse...and he backed that up with another bad performance last season. =)

We are digging through guys here at this point. I thought Henderson was a worthwhile option to at least bring up. Honestly like you I'd rather go with a younger player (which is I think we may have both ended up last year also). The funny thing is that it seems like based on Glen's comments Thibs and Layden seem to be leaning the same way. They added a couple younger players at this juncture in FA last year also in MGH and eventually Bazz so its not like they are always looking for old the vets. My top youngish guy now is Brandon Paul.

I've been out of town and falling behind on the free agent news. My hesitancy on Henderson is two-fold. First, I just don't have confidence in anyone coming back from hip surgery. Hip surgery and back surgery scare me off. Second, like you, I continue to prefer a younger player with some upside given the caliber of experienced vets still available. I'd take Brewer over Henderson because of Henderson's hip surgery and because I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire. In any event, I don't think there are any free agents who want to come play for Thibodeau unless absolutely no other team in interested in them. Brewer's the exception because he loves Minneapolis and his girl friend's family lives here.

How about Jimmer Fredette? I'd take flyer on him. He's a better 3-point shooter than any of the free agents still available and his defense can't be any worse than Crawford's. It's the sort of move that would make sense to fill our 13th or 14th roster spot given how seriously lacking we are in 3-point firepower and knowing we've lost Crawford and already added a defensive-minded wing in Okogie. But it's also the sort of move the totally inside-the-box team of Thibodeau and Layden would never make.

I'm glad we could get you up to speed on these bigtime NBA Free Agents!!!! Lol

Thanks for the reply on Henderson.

"I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire."

You can say the same stuff about Henderson. The things i like about him is he plays with a certain physical force about him. He is a type of guy that can play physical. To me his hip surgury seems like something more likely to come back from than the soft tissue stuff with IT or Flynn etc. Anywho I rest my case on Henderson. I just wanted to explain my case but let's move on.

I think one of the legit issues (Thibs could also be a factor) is that the Wolves may not look like a great opportunity for other players because of other players on the roster. Last season it took till right before training camp before Aaron Brooks signed. Why? I think he knew and possibly was even told by Thibs and Layden Tyus was a guy they valued a lot. Players talk and play against guys and I think guys like Brooks knew Tyus could play and Brooks wanted something better than to be a 3rd PG. This season the Wolves just drafted Okogie and KBD and they showed some good things in Vegas. Sure Thibs has a reputation of not playing young players but as a younger player that's not all that experienced are you betting on getting minutes over those draft picks? Probably not. Last summer MGH was reported to turn down better guaranteed money (it was also reported several teams would have done a waiver claim if they had the cap space) because he wanted to come here and saw the opportunity to get a roster spot for the whole season. Right now that's the play at some point for some guys. They can see a path to a roster spot for the entire season. That will gave value as teams become pretty full. I wouldn't be shocked if Thibs and Layden have been up front with some of these guys about what is the expected role here.

Let's see how this plays out. There have been guys I like that have signed elsewhere but it's not like we missed out on some really proven cheap (espcially for the vet min) young player that's also a dynamite 3 point threat. There will be similar in talent guys we can and likely will get.

[Lipoli390]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

Sorry Lip both of those guys have already been signed although House might not stick in GS.

Why Brewer over Henderson? Henderson has a better resume as a 3 point shooter than Brewer. I hope you have read about the nature of the hip situation in the article. It seems fairly encouraging he can actually be healthy. I remember last summer you wanted Afflalo and I wanted Henderson (before Henderson elected to have surgery). I remember ultimately looking at advanced stats neither looked like a positive although Afflalo was worse...and he backed that up with another bad performance last season. =)

We are digging through guys here at this point. I thought Henderson was a worthwhile option to at least bring up. Honestly like you I'd rather go with a younger player (which is I think we may have both ended up last year also). The funny thing is that it seems like based on Glen's comments Thibs and Layden seem to be leaning the same way. They added a couple younger players at this juncture in FA last year also in MGH and eventually Bazz so its not like they are always looking for old the vets. My top youngish guy now is Brandon Paul.

I've been out of town and falling behind on the free agent news. My hesitancy on Henderson is two-fold. First, I just don't have confidence in anyone coming back from hip surgery. Hip surgery and back surgery scare me off. Second, like you, I continue to prefer a younger player with some upside given the caliber of experienced vets still available. I'd take Brewer over Henderson because of Henderson's hip surgery and because I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire. In any event, I don't think there are any free agents who want to come play for Thibodeau unless absolutely no other team in interested in them. Brewer's the exception because he loves Minneapolis and his girl friend's family lives here.

How about Jimmer Fredette? I'd take flyer on him. He's a better 3-point shooter than any of the free agents still available and his defense can't be any worse than Crawford's. It's the sort of move that would make sense to fill our 13th or 14th roster spot given how seriously lacking we are in 3-point firepower and knowing we've lost Crawford and already added a defensive-minded wing in Okogie. But it's also the sort of move the totally inside-the-box team of Thibodeau and Layden would never make.

I'm glad we could get you up to speed on these bigtime NBA Free Agents!!!! Lol

Thanks for the reply on Henderson.

"I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire."

You can say the same stuff about Henderson. The things i like about him is he plays with a certain physical force about him. He is a type of guy that can play physical. To me his hip surgury seems like something more likely to come back from than the soft tissue stuff with IT or Flynn etc. Anywho I rest my case on Henderson. I just wanted to explain my case but let's move on.

I think one of the legit issues (Thibs could also be a factor) is that the Wolves may not look like a great opportunity for other players because of other players on the roster. Last season it took till right before training camp before Aaron Brooks signed. Why? I think he knew and possibly was even told by Thibs and Layden Tyus was a guy they valued a lot. Players talk and play against guys and I think guys like Brooks knew Tyus could play and Brooks wanted something better than to be a 3rd PG. This season the Wolves just drafted Okogie and KBD and they showed some good things in Vegas. Sure Thibs has a reputation of not playing young players but as a younger player that's not all that experienced are you betting on getting minutes over those draft picks? Probably not. Last summer MGH was reported to turn down better guaranteed money (it was also reported several teams would have done a waiver claim if they had the cap space) because he wanted to come here and saw the opportunity to get a roster spot for the whole season. Right now that's the play at some point for some guys. They can see a path to a roster spot for the entire season. That will gave value as teams become pretty full. I wouldn't be shocked if Thibs and Layden have been up front with some of these guys about what is the expected role here.

Let's see how this plays out. There have been guys I like that have signed elsewhere but it's not like we missed out on some really proven cheap (espcially for the vet min) young player that's also a dynamite 3 point threat. There will be similar in talent guys we can and likely will get.

Except for the rare player like Brewer, who has particular connections to Minnesota, no free agent will sign with the Wolves unless they have absolutely no other other alternative to play in the NBA or get overpaid. I think there was some interest last summer among free agents after we signed Butler, but even then we didn't see free agents lining up to come here for market or below-market value.

We've heard the same thing from both Thorpe and Dudley -- a couple of guys who are clearly attuned to the sentiments of NBA players. As Thorpe relayed to us, playing for Thibodeau isn't considered fun (style of play and Thibodeau demeanor). As both Thorpe and Dudley mentioned, players don't expect to get much playing time under Thibs as part of the bench. If anything, this past season cemented Thibodeau's reputation as someone you wouldn't want to play for. Our starters played more than the starters on any other NBA team, obviously at the expense of PT for the bench, and the Wolves played a drab, antiquated iso style of basketball Thibs is known for. Thibodeau really like MGH, yet MGH got almost no playing time. Amile Jefferson and Anthony Brown, our two-way contract guys, got no playing time. Jefferson signed a two-way elsewhere, Crawford couldn't wait to leave, and MGH won't be back. It's widely known that Tyus was unhappy with his playing time as backup PG. And even our starting PG publicly criticized Thibodeau for failing to give more PT to Tyus. Now we have Butler publicly complaining about playing with the Wolves most talented and productive player, Towns, sending signals that he's not inclined to re-sign with the Wolves next summer when he hits the FA market.

Why on earth would anyone sign with the Wolves as FA this summer??!! I'm just waiting for the Thibs era in Minnesota to end. It can't end soon enough.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Apparently Gerald Henderson is healthy after his hip surgery he had last year. I've always liked him for some reason. Yeah he seems like and injury risk with hip surgery but he was playing with it and missed 10 or less games the last 3 years he played. He wasn't a great player before the surgury but he can handle the ball attack and wasn't the worst 3 point shooter. Maybe he will be better playing without the pain. It's not like there are other amazing options. He claimed he had teams that wanted to sign him last summer even with the bad hip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/26/nba-gerald-henderson-hip-contribute-therapeutic-year/734087002/

Not interested. Might as well sign Corey Brewer and call it a day. My top pick at this point remains Danuel House. My second choice would be Pat Connaughton.

Sorry Lip both of those guys have already been signed although House might not stick in GS.

Why Brewer over Henderson? Henderson has a better resume as a 3 point shooter than Brewer. I hope you have read about the nature of the hip situation in the article. It seems fairly encouraging he can actually be healthy. I remember last summer you wanted Afflalo and I wanted Henderson (before Henderson elected to have surgery). I remember ultimately looking at advanced stats neither looked like a positive although Afflalo was worse...and he backed that up with another bad performance last season. =)

We are digging through guys here at this point. I thought Henderson was a worthwhile option to at least bring up. Honestly like you I'd rather go with a younger player (which is I think we may have both ended up last year also). The funny thing is that it seems like based on Glen's comments Thibs and Layden seem to be leaning the same way. They added a couple younger players at this juncture in FA last year also in MGH and eventually Bazz so its not like they are always looking for old the vets. My top youngish guy now is Brandon Paul.

I've been out of town and falling behind on the free agent news. My hesitancy on Henderson is two-fold. First, I just don't have confidence in anyone coming back from hip surgery. Hip surgery and back surgery scare me off. Second, like you, I continue to prefer a younger player with some upside given the caliber of experienced vets still available. I'd take Brewer over Henderson because of Henderson's hip surgery and because I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire. In any event, I don't think there are any free agents who want to come play for Thibodeau unless absolutely no other team in interested in them. Brewer's the exception because he loves Minneapolis and his girl friend's family lives here.

How about Jimmer Fredette? I'd take flyer on him. He's a better 3-point shooter than any of the free agents still available and his defense can't be any worse than Crawford's. It's the sort of move that would make sense to fill our 13th or 14th roster spot given how seriously lacking we are in 3-point firepower and knowing we've lost Crawford and already added a defensive-minded wing in Okogie. But it's also the sort of move the totally inside-the-box team of Thibodeau and Layden would never make.

I'm glad we could get you up to speed on these bigtime NBA Free Agents!!!! Lol

Thanks for the reply on Henderson.

"I like Brewer as a good influence with his high energy and competitive fire."

You can say the same stuff about Henderson. The things i like about him is he plays with a certain physical force about him. He is a type of guy that can play physical. To me his hip surgury seems like something more likely to come back from than the soft tissue stuff with IT or Flynn etc. Anywho I rest my case on Henderson. I just wanted to explain my case but let's move on.

I think one of the legit issues (Thibs could also be a factor) is that the Wolves may not look like a great opportunity for other players because of other players on the roster. Last season it took till right before training camp before Aaron Brooks signed. Why? I think he knew and possibly was even told by Thibs and Layden Tyus was a guy they valued a lot. Players talk and play against guys and I think guys like Brooks knew Tyus could play and Brooks wanted something better than to be a 3rd PG. This season the Wolves just drafted Okogie and KBD and they showed some good things in Vegas. Sure Thibs has a reputation of not playing young players but as a younger player that's not all that experienced are you betting on getting minutes over those draft picks? Probably not. Last summer MGH was reported to turn down better guaranteed money (it was also reported several teams would have done a waiver claim if they had the cap space) because he wanted to come here and saw the opportunity to get a roster spot for the whole season. Right now that's the play at some point for some guys. They can see a path to a roster spot for the entire season. That will gave value as teams become pretty full. I wouldn't be shocked if Thibs and Layden have been up front with some of these guys about what is the expected role here.

Let's see how this plays out. There have been guys I like that have signed elsewhere but it's not like we missed out on some really proven cheap (espcially for the vet min) young player that's also a dynamite 3 point threat. There will be similar in talent guys we can and likely will get.

Except for the rare player like Brewer, who has particular connections to Minnesota, no free agent will sign with the Wolves unless they have absolutely no other other alternative to play in the NBA or get overpaid. I think there was some interest last summer among free agents after we signed Butler, but even then we didn't see free agents lining up to come here for market or below-market value.

We've heard the same thing from both Thorpe and Dudley -- a couple of guys who are clearly attuned to the sentiments of NBA players. As Thorpe relayed to us, playing for Thibodeau isn't considered fun (style of play and Thibodeau demeanor). As both Thorpe and Dudley mentioned, players don't expect to get much playing time under Thibs as part of the bench. If anything, this past season cemented Thibodeau's reputation as someone you wouldn't want to play for. Our starters played more than the starters on any other NBA team, obviously at the expense of PT for the bench, and the Wolves played a drab, antiquated iso style of basketball Thibs is known for. Thibodeau really like MGH, yet MGH got almost no playing time. Amile Jefferson and Anthony Brown, our two-way contract guys, got no playing time. Jefferson signed a two-way elsewhere, Crawford couldn't wait to leave, and MGH won't be back. It's widely known that Tyus was unhappy with his playing time as backup PG. And even our starting PG publicly criticized Thibodeau for failing to give more PT to Tyus. Now we have Butler publicly complaining about playing with the Wolves most talented and productive player, Towns, sending signals that he's not inclined to re-sign with the Wolves next summer when he hits the FA market.

Why on earth would anyone sign with the Wolves as FA this summer??!! I'm just waiting for the Thibs era in Minnesota to end. It can't end soon enough.

Remind me of the days MN has ever had the luxury of getting free agents without paying a premium. Oh wait they've never existed. It's not a Thibs problem because it's been a problem long before Thibs.