khans2k5 wrote:If we could get Gallo for sub 20 I'd be on board.
Tempting, but his injury history is so consistently bad that it's beyond troubling. And it's not as if he brings defense, rebounding or toughness. If by sub-$20 million you mean $17-19 million, I still wouldn't touch him. Again, I'd go with Redick for that price knowing that he'll likely be available to play the entire season. And I'm not crazy about paying that kind of money to Redick.
Not everyone is an iron man like Wiggins and Towns. 60 games as long as he can play in the playoffs is good enough for me. A guy like Anthony Davis played over 70 games for the first time in his career last year and yet he is still the premier franchise piece for most teams in the league if they could start a team today. It's all about what you get out of those 60+ games. There's not 30 minutes a night for Reddick here like he gets in LA so you'd be paying the same money for less of a contribution in probably 15 more games. That's not enough of a difference to me to swing a season. I'd rather have Gallo and the significant time he could give us for 60+ games than the lessor time and production Reddick would give us in 75+ games.
Anthony Davis. Hmm. How has that New Orleans team been doing since he got there. You play 60 games and you've missed 25% of the season. If you're important enough to the team to get over $15 million per year, missing a quarter of the season for a team that won only 31 games the previous season would be a substantial hit to the team's chances of making the playoffs. Cool's right that Gallo's not a terrible defender, but I never said he was. But he's not known at all for his defense any more than Redick. So for the same money, I'll take Redick's 41.5% career three-point shooting for an entire season over Gallo's 37% for 3/4 of the season. Seems pretty straight-forward to me.
Well NO made the playoffs last year when he basically dragged them there with little help. That happens to be more playoff appearances than we've had in the last decade. I think you are way too hung up on shooting and not how it actually fits here. Gallo playing 30 minutes 60 games a year is 1800 minutes. Reddick playing 20 minutes 75 games a year is 1500 minutes. That's over 6 more games worth of minutes Gallo gives you even in 15 less games. You actually get more minutes for your money with Gallo. Gallo is an addition to the same team that won 31 games with no subtractions in the frontcourt so I fail to see how we are any worse off in the games he'd miss than we already were this past year. So we see a bump for 60 games and the same for 22 games and that's assuming nobody in our frontcourt gets better. I don't see how that's gonna make us a worse or even the same team. We'd be better for 75% of the season and depending on the development of current players might not even take a huge hit when he misses time. Reddick meanwhile would help in more games, but the minutes difference shows he just wouldn't play as much as Gallo to actually be able to impact the game as much.
Who said we'd be worse off than last season in games Gallo would miss? It's about games, not minutes unless the gap in minutes is really huge. You pay big money to a player because you expect him to make a difference in every game and, therefore, win more games. If he's not available because of injuries, he's not helping and, therefore, not having the impact you paid him to have. So I'll take a guy playing 28 minutes per game for 75 games (Redick's avg. the past 3 seasons) over a guy averaging 32 minutes for 58 games (Gallo's avg the past 3 seasons). You pay big money to Gallo and Redick because you expect each to help you win games through their respective 32 and 28 minutes per game. I'll take the guy who's available to help me win those additional 17 games.
Redick isn't getting 28 minutes a game here. That's the problem with not being position versatile. If it's between Zach and JJ for the bulk of the SG minutes they are going to Zach. Redick will be lucky to get 20 MPG's here. That fact seems to escape your argument for him throughout this whole thread.
BloopOracle wrote:I"m scared to death of our 3 point free agent jinx though especially when it comes to guys who have absolutely torched us in years past. I'm looking at you MIke MIller
Heh...I've definitely been on my soapbox about the same phenomena. Basically take whatever prospective free agent's career 3-point shooting percentage is and then multiply by .85. That's what we can expect from them in a Wolves uniform.
One thing I like about Gallo is he is a fearless shooter than can rise up and hit tough, contested 3's right in people's faces.
The injuries are a deal breaker for me though. He's played a total of 37 games in April for his entire career. For some perspective, Ricky Rubio, who has been in the league for two fewer seasons and has had his own injury issues, has played 33.
Gallo won't be of much help to us when he's in a suit and tie come April and May.
I'm not a Redick guy either - at least for our team. It's possible that SG might be the best position for three of our existing young guys: Wiggins, LaVine, and Dunn. I just don't see how we can sink a boatload of money into a position where we already have a bunch of guys Thibs likes in that same slot.
And yes, I get that Wiggins will end up playing a lot of SF, especially to end halves. But I really think Thibs is serious about getting bigger and better defensively, which might mean moving Wig to starting SG, at least to start games. Now you have LaVine as a 25+ MPG 6th man once he is healthy, all of which will be at SG. What's left for Redick? Or even Tony Snell for that matter?
Q12543 wrote:I'm not a Redick guy either - at least for our team. It's possible that SG might be the best position for three of our existing young guys: Wiggins, LaVine, and Dunn. I just don't see how we can sink a boatload of money into a position where we already have a bunch of guys Thibs likes in that same slot.
And yes, I get that Wiggins will end up playing a lot of SF, especially to end halves. But I really think Thibs is serious about getting bigger and better defensively, which might mean moving Wig to starting SG, at least to start games. Now you have LaVine as a 25+ MPG 6th man once he is healthy, all of which will be at SG. What's left for Redick? Or even Tony Snell for that matter?
I agree with both of your posts.
I view PG, SG, and C being locked for minutes barring injuries. An end of the bench player cab fill those roles for the minimum, small two year contract, etc. Our money absolutely needs to be spent on one or two players who fill the 3 and 4 spots. I'd pay Gallo before Redick for this reason, though I'd prefer to avoid both.
Q12543 wrote:One thing I like about Gallo is he is a fearless shooter than can rise up and hit tough, contested 3's right in people's faces.
The injuries are a deal breaker for me though. He's played a total of 37 games in April for his entire career. For some perspective, Ricky Rubio, who has been in the league for two fewer seasons and has had his own injury issues, has played 33.
Gallo won't be of much help to us when he's in a suit and tie come April and May.
I'm with you Q. To add to that IMO there is a good chance someone offers him a crazy deal like starting at 20million per. How about his inefficiency on any shot that isn't at the rim or a 3? in addition his 3 point shot isn't exactly awesome either when it come to percentage. His value to this team is that he takes a ton of them and we need a guy like that.
