monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
No. No. No.
I'm curious as to why you say that. I'd like to hear one of your reasons. You will probably be preaching to the choir (I've already said I'm not a fan of his game) but let's be real here the Wolves won't be able to pick and choose their guys they may have to look for some other vets that could help them if you know what I mean.
monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
No. No. No.
I'm curious as to why you say that. I'd like to hear one of your reasons. You will probably be preaching to the choir (I've already said I'm not a fan of his game) but let's be real here the Wolves won't be able to pick and choose their guys they may have to look for some other vets that could help them if you know what I mean.
Maybe I was too abrupt. It wouldn't be the worst signing. He could be a rich man's Stephenson, especially if he could play 1/2 the season... something he hasn't done for two seasons now.
The knock on him used to be his outside shot. But his 3 point shooting has been respectable the past couple of seasons... albeit small sample sizes. I'm not certain if limited minutes and 65 games are enough to prove he can hit the shot consistently.
And I'm ready to embrace the modern NBA. I'm willing to live with Rubio as the PG because of the other stuff he offers. But that dictates the team needs other things elsewhere... including three point shooting. LOTS OF IT. Plus, Evans is best with the ball in his hands, so is it worth it to take it out of Rubio's or even Wiggins to give it to Evans?
monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
No. No. No.
I'm curious as to why you say that. I'd like to hear one of your reasons. You will probably be preaching to the choir (I've already said I'm not a fan of his game) but let's be real here the Wolves won't be able to pick and choose their guys they may have to look for some other vets that could help them if you know what I mean.
Maybe I was too abrupt. It wouldn't be the worst signing. He could be a rich man's Stephenson, especially if he could play 1/2 the season... something he hasn't done for two seasons now.
The knock on him used to be his outside shot. But his 3 point shooting has been respectable the past couple of seasons... albeit small sample sizes. I'm not certain if limited minutes and 65 games are enough to prove he can hit the shot consistently.
And I'm ready to embrace the modern NBA. I'm willing to live with Rubio as the PG because of the other stuff he offers. But that dictates the team needs other things elsewhere... including three point shooting. LOTS OF IT. Plus, Evans is best with the ball in his hands, so is it worth it to take it out of Rubio's or even Wiggins to give it to Evans?
Ok so we are thinking the same things. The thing that drives me nuts about Evans is yes he is better with the ball in his hands but a lot of the time I have watched him he gets the ball even with a little PG on him and he just passes it or settles for a long 2 or something like that. It's bizarre. It's like he and Mike Miller exchanged brains or something and haven't figured it out. The Wolves issues shooting the 3 are a real problem right now at least wiggins showed some legit growth there.
monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
No. No. No.
I'm curious as to why you say that. I'd like to hear one of your reasons. You will probably be preaching to the choir (I've already said I'm not a fan of his game) but let's be real here the Wolves won't be able to pick and choose their guys they may have to look for some other vets that could help them if you know what I mean.
Maybe I was too abrupt. It wouldn't be the worst signing. He could be a rich man's Stephenson, especially if he could play 1/2 the season... something he hasn't done for two seasons now.
The knock on him used to be his outside shot. But his 3 point shooting has been respectable the past couple of seasons... albeit small sample sizes. I'm not certain if limited minutes and 65 games are enough to prove he can hit the shot consistently.
And I'm ready to embrace the modern NBA. I'm willing to live with Rubio as the PG because of the other stuff he offers. But that dictates the team needs other things elsewhere... including three point shooting. LOTS OF IT. Plus, Evans is best with the ball in his hands, so is it worth it to take it out of Rubio's or even Wiggins to give it to Evans?
Ok so we are thinking the same things. The thing that drives me nuts about Evans is yes he is better with the ball in his hands but a lot of the time I have watched him he gets the ball even with a little PG on him and he just passes it or settles for a long 2 or something like that. It's bizarre. It's like he and Mike Miller exchanged brains or something and haven't figured it out. The Wolves issues shooting the 3 are a real problem right now at least wiggins showed some legit growth there.
The three point shooting is the ONE thing we can look at it and declare "See. Here's proof that Wiggins improved."
Let's hope that trajectory continues, it'll make the potential for him becoming an elite scorer a lot more likely.
monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
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Thibs stressed shooting as big offseason need. That would include 3ptrs, while 601 3's was a franchise-record, it still ranked last in NBA.
Mr. Brightside wrote:No thanks on Ibaka. All advanced statistics show he does not make his teams better. And for $25 million? Nope.
To be fair, Ibaka has never finished a season on a team below .500. And he's started virtually his entire career. We can search for stats to suggest he has nothing to do with that... and probably find some to support that narrative. But we might be pushing a confirmation bias with that search.
"Take that for data!"
To be fair, he's played with some great players. Felton Spencer would have been on all .500 or better teams under the same circumstances.
Ummm. No.
I don't know what else to tell you. We seem to be very very far apart on this... and I'm not even advocating bringing in Ibaka to the Wolves.
Really? Westbrook and Durant wouldn't have gotten OKC above .500 without Ibaka? Toronto with Lowry and Derozan would be under .500 without Ibaka? Please explain.
Wait. I think we're just disconnecting here. I'm talking specifically about the comment that he's essentially Felton Spencer out there. No. He's not. Not even close.
Ibaka isn't just a guy on a .500 team. He was a starter on teams that won at a 55 - 60-win pace (.700) FIVE times in 7 seasons. They won "only" 50 games when Ibaka was a rookie coming off the bench. And they won "only" 45 games in a season where Durant missed 65 games. Westbrook missed 15 games. And Ibaka missed 18 games.
No, I'm definitely not saying he was Felton Spencer. I'm saying that players with far less talent than Ibaka could have been .500 on those teams. Ibaka, while a certain contributor, isn't the reason those teams were at least .500.
Ok. Now that we that settled...
My point stands for Mr. Brightside who claimed Ibaka hasn't made his teams better. I disagree entirely with that. A 3rd or even 4th option who doesn't need the ball much... plays good pick-and-roll defense... leads the league in blocks... hits between 47% - 57% of his shots... etc. That guy has value. That guy helps good teams be good or even great.
Ibaka absolutely provides value. However, he's clearly on the downslope of his career when looking at the numbers. So for $25 million a year, I don't want him.
His blocked shots rate has decreased every year since the 11-12 season. He's not an elite rebounder and never has been. He had a career year shooting the ball from deep this year and has developed into an above average to very good shooter. His offensive rating continues to decline while his defensive rating continues to rise. His win shares continue to drop. His VORP continues to drop.
His usage continues to increase every season and was above 20% this year. I would not consider that someone who "doesn't need the ball much." It's not high usage but it certainly isn't low.
Ibaka is not the same player that was a catalyst when OKC made the finals. He's not even OKC Ibaka. He's a nice player who would potentially be a nice fit. But I would not be comfortable paying a guy $25 million a year who clearly peaked 4-5 seasons ago. If I'm paying $25 million, I want a guy who would give the Wolves a huge boost. A guy who is elite at at least 1-2 areas. Ibaka was that guy at one point. He isn't now.
monsterpile wrote:Would anyone have interest in Tyreke Evans on what might be a relative bargain deal? I'm not a big fan of his game he fades into the background too much. He is unlikely to help much with outside shooting but he is a versatile vet and has size and strength Wolves perimeter players tend not to have. Does he play defense? Will he stay healthy?
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Thibs stressed shooting as big offseason need. That would include 3ptrs, while 601 3's was a franchise-record, it still ranked last in NBA.
Something to consider:
Lavine led the team with 120 made 3's and he missed 35 games.
monsterpile wrote:What kind of money would you throw at Iggy for 2 years? He probably wouldn't take it but he would bring a lot of what this team needs from a vet.
Honestly wouldn't want him. The money he would get I don't think he moves the needle enough for a declining but still productive player. The only older guy I would pay big bucks to is Millsap
