Tony Parker might be done. Let's say the Spurs want space for a run at Chris Paul or George Hill (a Pop favorite). Pau Gasol is on the books at $16M (player option).
Reports are that Thibodeau wanted him last year.
The Wolves have plenty of cap room.
He's a big... and not completely done.
He's a veteran with legit winning experience.
It's only one year. But it could lead to more wins/development without compromising the future.
And, perhaps most importantly, he can be had for cheap. The Spurs will need to move him for the cap space and not so much for what they get in return.
Thoughts?
[Note: Actually, scratch Chris Paul. The guy is in line to make $200M from the Clippers. I can't see him taking THAT much of a paycut.]
I'd love to pick up Pau on the cheap. I do think it's plausible because I think Paul's competitive nature will drive him to seek a team that has a good chance of winning a title while he's still young enough to be a core piece.
Wait. What?
But SAS won 61 games. Minnesota won 31 games.
Lol. Yes, why would Chris Paul want to go to a 61-win team. So here's my revised plan for the Wolves. Forget about trading for Pau Gasol and just sign Chris Paul as a FA. What do you think? :)
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
I do like porter as a player I do. I'm just worried that with our roster construction he won't be as successful. I just worry that he gets to go up against the 3rd best perimeter defender every night and it took him to game 3 to abuse IT. The Celtics have been daring Porter to beat them. Once again I wish we could add porter but I don't think be is with a max.
*I said Bazz because he improved a lot on defense, now his bar was real low but he made big strides in that area and there were a lot of 4th year players that made improvements so is it brooks or natural improvement (I have no interest to bring him back)
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
I do like porter as a player I do. I'm just worried that with our roster construction he won't be as successful. I just worry that he gets to go up against the 3rd best perimeter defender every night and it took him to game 3 to abuse IT. The Celtics have been daring Porter to beat them. Once again I wish we could add porter but I don't think be is with a max.
*I said Bazz because he improved a lot on defense, now his bar was real low but he made big strides in that area and there were a lot of 4th year players that made improvements so is it brooks or natural improvement (I have no interest to bring him back)
Its funny that you say Bazz improved a lot on defense. A year ago he was ranked as the very worst defender at small forward and this year he is only the second worst defender based on Defensive Real Plus Minus. At this rate, in 60 years, Bazz will make an all defensive team.
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
I do like porter as a player I do. I'm just worried that with our roster construction he won't be as successful. I just worry that he gets to go up against the 3rd best perimeter defender every night and it took him to game 3 to abuse IT. The Celtics have been daring Porter to beat them. Once again I wish we could add porter but I don't think be is with a max.
*I said Bazz because he improved a lot on defense, now his bar was real low but he made big strides in that area and there were a lot of 4th year players that made improvements so is it brooks or natural improvement (I have no interest to bring him back)
Its funny that you say Bazz improved a lot on defense. A year ago he was ranked as the very worst defender at small forward and this year he is only the second worst defender based on Defensive Real Plus Minus. At this rate, in 60 years, Bazz will make an all defensive team.
Eye test. Even you during the season said he improved. I am not saying he was the next coming of Gary payton. Also as you know I hate RPM in any form because there is so much noise in that stat
*we don't need to argue about Bazz either we both don't want him back. And with Porter we both like him you would give a max and assets. I wouldn't offer a max to him
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
I do like porter as a player I do. I'm just worried that with our roster construction he won't be as successful. I just worry that he gets to go up against the 3rd best perimeter defender every night and it took him to game 3 to abuse IT. The Celtics have been daring Porter to beat them. Once again I wish we could add porter but I don't think be is with a max.
*I said Bazz because he improved a lot on defense, now his bar was real low but he made big strides in that area and there were a lot of 4th year players that made improvements so is it brooks or natural improvement (I have no interest to bring him back)
Its funny that you say Bazz improved a lot on defense. A year ago he was ranked as the very worst defender at small forward and this year he is only the second worst defender based on Defensive Real Plus Minus. At this rate, in 60 years, Bazz will make an all defensive team.
Eye test. Even you during the season said he improved. I am not saying he was the next coming of Gary payton. Also as you know I hate RPM in any form because there is so much noise in that stat
I am real fond of RPM as I think it the best stat out there to measure real on court impact. Defensive impact is something that's not real easy to measure without this stat. I don't claim its a perfect stat, but I haven't found a better advanced stat out there for measuring both offensive and defensive impact of players.
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
I do like porter as a player I do. I'm just worried that with our roster construction he won't be as successful. I just worry that he gets to go up against the 3rd best perimeter defender every night and it took him to game 3 to abuse IT. The Celtics have been daring Porter to beat them. Once again I wish we could add porter but I don't think be is with a max.
*I said Bazz because he improved a lot on defense, now his bar was real low but he made big strides in that area and there were a lot of 4th year players that made improvements so is it brooks or natural improvement (I have no interest to bring him back)
Its funny that you say Bazz improved a lot on defense. A year ago he was ranked as the very worst defender at small forward and this year he is only the second worst defender based on Defensive Real Plus Minus. At this rate, in 60 years, Bazz will make an all defensive team.
Eye test. Even you during the season said he improved. I am not saying he was the next coming of Gary payton. Also as you know I hate RPM in any form because there is so much noise in that stat
I am real fond of RPM as I think it the best stat out there to measure real on court impact. Defensive impact is something that's not real easy to measure without this stat. I don't claim its a perfect stat, but I haven't found a better advanced stat out there for measuring both offensive and defensive impact of players.
Fair enough, that is probably why we disagree a lot, difference philosophy. (What is perfectly fine).
No more reason for us to talk about Bazz we both don't want him back
And for Porter we both like him but I would not offer a max to him just because I don't believe he could be a legit #3 option or better on a title contender. But I would love to have him on the roster what is sort of impossible.
I actually think isaac could turn out to be a taller porter (we agree on something on a love of a prospect YAY!)
I think to me what I like about Porter is you aren't going after a 3rd offensive option you are going after a do it all player than compliments the players you have. Do you want to pay that guy the max? Idk but I'd really like to have a player like that. I do agree that Isaac could end up being an even bigger version of Porter AND because of his length you could actually play him at PF sometimes or maybe a lot.
The young players are a bit of a catch 22. You might believe that Isaac will become at least a Crowder type in a couple years. How long will it take to get there or get even better than that? What if you dealt that pick for a guy that was a year or 2 ahead of the draft pick? Who would trade that type of player for a draft pick anyway? I don't see teams that are looking to tank I think most teams are looking to make a move up the food chain or rebuild somewhat quickly. Hopefully the Wolves can pick a good player (they can take time to get there as long as they do it) with the draft pick and add some solid vet FAs to help with the depth and productivity this coming season and hopefully beyond.
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
Porter isn't a stud. He plays next to two actual studs in Wall and Beal. At this stage I think it's fair to call him a high end role player. He's playing next to 46 points and 14 assists per game. That's an easy life in the NBA. He's a solid player, but he's not an All-Star. He only scored 20+ points 14 times this year and he is not a primary ball handler or play maker (assist percentage around Wiggins level). Butler on the other hand was a number 1 option for a playoff team and he can just do more than Porter. Really the only thing Porter is better at than Butler is efficiency and he's not a primary ball handler so who knows how his efficiency would hold up in a bigger role.
BloopOracle wrote:If we can get Butler without giving up our main 3 I am all for it, otherwise absolutely not I don't think he's even a 2nd option on a championship team
Washington isn't giving up Porter they are battlng for the ECF in win now mode, they have to max him
24 / 6 / 6... and All Defensive team...
Damn. Did he just get traded fro Klay Thompson or something?
Are we sure wiggins and Lavine will ever be all stars. Butler is All NBA!!! It is so hard to add that type of talent
kekgeek1 wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:Its funny how many young players have blossomed playing for Scott Brooks. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, and now Porter, Wall and Beal all improved a lot, especially Porter.
Sure maybe. Wall damn good last year also and the year before that. Beal has always been good but he is hurt all the time and this was his first healthy season. Porter has improved but still just a 13pt per game scorer, solid player though. Also is it because of brooks or because of natural improvement (shabazz and Gorgui same draft class arguably made the biggest improvements this year for the wolves)
Porter, is much more than solid, he is a stud. He's one of the most efficient NBA Players there is (6th True Shooting Percentage) and a very solid defender. Washington's top three all improved much more than our guys. I think Brooks is much better at player development than Thibs. I don't know why you bring up Bazz. He looked like pretty much the same one dimensional player as he has been in past (although he had one good month to tease us) and I hope he leaves. I'd say Tyus was easily the most improved player.
Porter isn't a stud. He plays next to two actual studs in Wall and Beal. At this stage I think it's fair to call him a high end role player. He's playing next to 46 points and 14 assists per game. That's an easy life in the NBA. He's a solid player, but he's not an All-Star. He only scored 20+ points 14 times this year and he is not a primary ball handler or play maker (assist percentage around Wiggins level). Butler on the other hand was a number 1 option for a playoff team and he can just do more than Porter. Really the only thing Porter is better at than Butler is efficiency and he's not a primary ball handler so who knows how his efficiency would hold up in a bigger role.
Not a stud??!! What do you call a player who shoots 3s at 43.4%, field goals at 51.6% and free throws at 83.2%? How many players have ever done that? He also is a plus defender and has 1.5 steals a game. Not many 23 year old players have the overall game of Porter and he improves every year.
