Camden wrote:It's crazy how we're being held back because we only have one competent wing. Seriously, trading Gorgui Dieng for Kent Bazemore or DeMarre Carroll would do wonders for this team. Or we could pay the price and send a first-round pick for Marco Belinelli who once again continues to be lethal as a spot-up shooter and among the league's best pull-up shooters from 3P. There are options. We need to pursue those options.
Unfortunately we are in no position to trade Dieng with Belly's heath issues. Add to that Thibs reluctancy to play Cole Aldrich. Taj and KAT are already playing 40 mpg and that needs to go down not up. Once Justin Patton develop into a rotation player then Dieng becomes expendable. In saying that wing depth is a major issue, but I like what I've seen from MGH the last couple of games.
PorkChop wrote:But where would this team be without Butler,Gibson, and to a lesser extent Teague this year. It
Criticize all you want but the reality is this teams record is where it is in large part to the offseason moves. With the idea that previously drafted players would take the next step. Is it on Thibs that players not drafted by him can't improve while vets like Taj have really exceeded?
I don't know if your question is rhetorical or not, pork, but the answer is yes...the lack of improvement of this team is definitlely on Thibs. The evidence is mounting, and there's just no other way to explain why outstanding college players have regressed so much under his "coaching". And as much as I love Gibson, the primary way he has "exceeded" this year is in minutes played...on a per 36 points, his stats like points and blocks are down this year under Thibs from his career averages.
Any one of us on this board could have coached the Wolves to a victory last night. It took a special effort to create yet another Thibs Second Half Disaster. But he showed once again that he can turn a double digit lead into a 4th quarter loss like no other coach in the history of the game. Last night the Suns played their woeful bench 140 minutes, and as a result everyone on the team was fresh when the game was on the line. Thibs is turn used his bench which includes at least 6 first round picks and several lottery picks only 53 minutes! And his exhausted starters responded just like we would have expected...by giving up a lead to a team MUCH worse than them. It's beyond ridiculous at this point how he is destroying this team. I'm fed up with this joke of a coach.
Can you give us an update on starter minutes vs. the other top 5 teams?
Camden wrote:It's crazy how we're being held back because we only have one competent wing. Seriously, trading Gorgui Dieng for Kent Bazemore or DeMarre Carroll would do wonders for this team. Or we could pay the price and send a first-round pick for Marco Belinelli who once again continues to be lethal as a spot-up shooter and among the league's best pull-up shooters from 3P. There are options. We need to pursue those options.
Unfortunately we are in no position to trade Dieng with Belly's heath issues. Add to that Thibs reluctancy to play Cole Aldrich. Taj and KAT are already playing 40 mpg and that needs to go down not up. Once Justin Patton develop into a rotation player then Dieng becomes expendable. In saying that wing depth is a major issue, but I like what I've seen from MGH the last couple of games.
I would trade Dieng for a reliable, productive wing and hope that Aldrich could provide 15 MPG off the bench instead of keeping Dieng and having zero wing depth. It's also a lot easier to find bench bigs than it is to find two-way wings that can contribute.
KiwiMatt wrote:I think Thibs has done a great job as POBO putting this roster together. But I fear his stubbornness when it comes to coaching might short circuit this franchises potential.
I'd say Thibs has done an OK, but not great job. His work as PBO left us short of 3-point shooting and very thin at the wing position. I think he traded the wrong players in the Butler deal -- i.e., he should have traded Wiggins rather than Dunn and Zach. I think he overpaid for both Teague and Taj this past summer and wasted $7 million per year on Cole Aldrich the prior summer, although I'm certainly glad we have Taj. I actually like Teague, but we'd be just as well off with D. Collison at $10 million per year. I think Thibs overpaid for Gorgui as well, although I'm not as down on that deal as others on this board. I'm not crazy about the Patton pick when we could have had John Collins. Again, as PBO I think Thibs has been fine when you look at the positive things he's done. And I don't think he's made any truly bone-headed decisions in that role.
So I think we agree that the main issue is his coaching, not his performance as PBO.
Camden0916 wrote:It's crazy how we're being held back because we only have one competent wing. Seriously, trading Gorgui Dieng for Kent Bazemore or DeMarre Carroll would do wonders for this team. Or we could pay the price and send a first-round pick for Marco Belinelli who once again continues to be lethal as a spot-up shooter and among the league's best pull-up shooters from 3P. There are options. We need to pursue those options.
I imagine Thibs has to be thinking the same thing. The drop off to our bench is the issue with this team. Gorgui can't prop up a 2nd unit unfortunately. Our priority is the wing.
I understand the investment in Wiggins, but reality is he's just not good at all. He's a bottom end starter, I don't think the drop off to anyone else is much. At least they play hard. MGH Bazz whatever, throw someone in who tries.
WolvesFan21 wrote:I understand the investment in Wiggins, but reality is he's just not good at all. He's a bottom end starter, I don't think the drop off to anyone else is much. At least they play hard. MGH Bazz whatever, throw someone in who tries.
