The Wiggins Problem

[Monster]

It has occurred to me that my Darko analogy may be off. I will instead suggest Randy Moss and his "I play when I want to play". Snarky response to some other posts - it's easier to stay healthy when you never go after a 50-50 ball and only show up on offense when you want to...

FYI it's been reported by a few media people that the "Play when I want to play" Moss quote was a very misrepresented quote by the one and only old man Sid Hartman and a number of former players said Moss practiced and worked very hard at his craft. Did he give up on some routes? Yeah sure. Like Judd Zulgad said on a recent podcast a lot of WRs give up on plays and that's part of the greatness of Thielen is that he never gives up on a play he is always working hard to get open.

[Lipoli390]

Wow. The same guys that were pleading for adelman to play the caged lion derrick williams( Is he still in the league?). The guys that have kevin martin as our number 1 wing going into wiggins 2nd season.( The same season that happen to be martin's last in the nba as no team pick him up after that season). They are in the 'I told You So' phase now regarding wiggins?

I certainly understand the frustrations some has with wig. All of us have our own favorite type of player and we tend to manipulate our argument towards the types we like. The fact of the matter is, all 30 teams would gladly have wiggins and all 30gm's would offer wiggins the max contract if they could and there is a reason for that.

I doubt all 30 teams would gladly have Wiggins on 5-year max deal. But I can agree that most teams would like to have him on their roster based on his potential and ability to score. Many of us are just disappointed that Wiggins, now in his 4th season, hasn't developed into anything close to the player he was expected to be coming out of college. And there are other young players around the League who teams would have been thrilled to give us in exchange for Wiggins 2 years ago who would laugh at Thibs if he called them today and offered Wiggins straight up for that same player.

By the way, I never liked Kevin Martin. :)

[AbeVigodaLive]

Wow. The same guys that were pleading for adelman to play the caged lion derrick williams( Is he still in the league?). The guys that have kevin martin as our number 1 wing going into wiggins 2nd season.( The same season that happen to be martin's last in the nba as no team pick him up after that season). They are in the 'I told You So' phase now regarding wiggins?

I certainly understand the frustrations some has with wig. All of us have our own favorite type of player and we tend to manipulate our argument towards the types we like. The fact of the matter is, all 30 teams would gladly have wiggins and all 30gm's would offer wiggins the max contract if they could and there is a reason for that.

This seems like a disingenuous and inaccurate post.

Just for the record... we once had a poll about who'd we'd rather keep -- Giannis or Wiggins.

22 out of 33 posters picked Wiggins. Hometown fans have bias. It's just how it is. Overvaluing our own players (especially young ones) is part of what makes us fans.

[worldK]

Wow. The same guys that were pleading for adelman to play the caged lion derrick williams( Is he still in the league?). The guys that have kevin martin as our number 1 wing going into wiggins 2nd season.( The same season that happen to be martin's last in the nba as no team pick him up after that season). They are in the 'I told You So' phase now regarding wiggins?

I certainly understand the frustrations some has with wig. All of us have our own favorite type of player and we tend to manipulate our argument towards the types we like. The fact of the matter is, all 30 teams would gladly have wiggins and all 30gm's would offer wiggins the max contract if they could and there is a reason for that.

This seems like a disingenuous and inaccurate post.

Just for the record... we once had a poll about who'd we'd rather keep -- Giannis or Wiggins.

22 out of 33 posters picked Wiggins. Hometown fans have bias. It's just how it is. Overvaluing our own players (especially young ones) is part of what makes us fans.

Disingenous and inaccurate is what you just posted abe. You bringing up the giannis or wiggins is the exact point I was making. Most here would admit that giannis is better than wiggins now and those who voted no before for that proposal would admit their mistake today. Its an example of a poster manipulating the argument to suit his narrative. They will throw the 'I told you so' easily. But most here would never admit being on the wrong side. They would always push what the have right each chance they get so they can appear to be better and credible when they are trying to argue for or against a player.

My problem here is we are throwing jeff green and darko around here. Then we start digging stats to support those claims. Like I said, most of us have our own favorites and that is okay but lets be realistic at the same time.

We could all throw the 'I told you so' to each other all the time. Guys here that shit on wiggins lack of 'do shit stats' are the ones that will defend a kevin martin who does even less shit than wig do but they just like him more. Many here call adelman an old idiot for not playing derrick williams who may not even be in the league anymore at age 26 or 27?

Another example is the rubio vs teague thread. That started out hot when rubio started the season very well but die down quickly when rubio struggled and regress back to his norm. Expect that thread to pick up steam again when rubio have a good to great 7-8 game stretch. It is what it is. We have our favorites and we could all throw the 'I told you so' thing to each other and find a bunch of stats to suit our narrative. We also tend to remind everyone each time we got something right. That is how these message boards work, we all know that but when something is absurd, then we need to call it like it is.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Wow. The same guys that were pleading for adelman to play the caged lion derrick williams( Is he still in the league?). The guys that have kevin martin as our number 1 wing going into wiggins 2nd season.( The same season that happen to be martin's last in the nba as no team pick him up after that season). They are in the 'I told You So' phase now regarding wiggins?

I certainly understand the frustrations some has with wig. All of us have our own favorite type of player and we tend to manipulate our argument towards the types we like. The fact of the matter is, all 30 teams would gladly have wiggins and all 30gm's would offer wiggins the max contract if they could and there is a reason for that.

The problem that fans, and owners alike, fall into come contract time is "what would others pay". The league is littered with so many players that got paid WAY more than their actual basketball value because owners fell into the trap of paying a temporary perceived market value. Guys like Barnes, Parsons, Batum, G. Hill, R. Anderson, Crabbe, Monroe, Turner, Biyambo, and the list goes on and on. No one would sign those guys for anywhere near the value once their new contracts actually begin. Everyone just worries so much about "losing a player for nothing", but as I look at the list above, the team that let those players walk turned out to be the winner in the end. I stand by the "pay huge for stars", and everyone else gets scraps.

Wiggins is simply NOT worth a max deal as a basketball player. Would he have gotten it on the open market....yes. Doesn't mean it was the right decision for the Wolves. Everyone talks about Wiggins scoring strength, but he has always been a very inefficient scorer. Volume scoring and health are his calling cards, but those don't make him anywhere near a max player. Butler shows us game after game why he is a max type guy. He and Wig are just in different worlds as it stands today. That being said, I think Wiggins would still have strength on trade market given lack of wings and his strength as a volume scorer...teams still fall for that skill as much as us fans have.

[WildWolf2813]

Jimmy Butler is on this team because Wiggins has failed to be the player many thought he'd be. Now that he's been paid, he has no incentive to change anything he's doing, but because people point to his youth and athleticism and the fact that he scores, the Wolves can't win in the court of public opinion if they ever wanted to shop him.

You guys know I think Glen's an idiot and should sell the team tomorrow to rid us of this stench, but even he wondered whether he was wise in paying Wiggins. At this point, he doesn't disappoint me anymore.


Towns on the other hand has pretty much turned into Rasheed Wallace with a lot less ejections, which for what he was supposed to be, is VERY disappointing.

[Monster]

Eh some people have their mind made up on Wiggins. I'm going full Cool and not commenting anymore. I won't convince anyone anyway.

[thedoper]

Eh some people have their mind made up on Wiggins. I'm going full Cool and not commenting anymore. I won't convince anyone anyway.

Yup.

[kekgeek]

Eh some people have their mind made up on Wiggins. I'm going full Cool and not commenting anymore. I won't convince anyone anyway.

Please keep posting about him, because I will lose my sanity. And I'm not even super pro wiggins.

[Monster]

Eh some people have their mind made up on Wiggins. I'm going full Cool and not commenting anymore. I won't convince anyone anyway.

Please keep posting about him, because I will lose my sanity. And I'm not even super pro wiggins.

I have to worry about my sanity first. =)