TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.
Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.
If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.
But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.
I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.
Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.
I agree with this. Although Dunn wasn't super creative on the offensive end, our offense didn't seem atrocious in the few games Ricky was out this year. I'd rather have his ball pressure D and energy out there. Ricky might be able to get us something of value right now. Makes sense to move on.
TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.
Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.
If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.
But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.
I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.
Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.
Well, I'll call your disagreement and raise you one!
The idea that we should suck since, oh well, the Warriors are unbeatable anyway seems silly to me. When Ricky's contract is up we do get at minimum his $ to spend. As I've said many times before, what we can get in return for Ricky now is less than his value to our team now. I'd be happy to debate this point specifically if you'd like, but there are tons of threads that touch on it.
As for Dunn, he didn't play "spot minutes". He had a very consistent role as the first guard off the bench, averaging 17 MPG over the course of 78 games. Yet his ability to shoot and score was actually worse than Ricky! And that was against opposing team's benches! Your comment reminds me of Khans' excuse for Anthony Bennett when he sucked here. Khans was adamant that a player had to play 18 minutes or more per game to develop. Silliness!
By the way, I'm a HUGE Dunn fan. I really hope you are right with your "mark my words" comment. But I think it's risky to move Ricky for a player type we already have the assets to obtain. Ricky is a bargain at his current price.
The comment around here about Rubio being more valuable to us than what we would receive in a trade is actual silliness. So nobody else wants him for what we expect, yet he is valued here?? That is stupid. Thats a stance of just gettinf by.. Value isn't dictated by how you perceive it, it is dictated by the market. Where the majority is faring far better than us. Rubios time has passed. We absolutely do not need his skillset on our team of scorers. Dunn is a better defender already, can pass the ball off to our iso scorers, and has far more potential off the ball offensively. Sure, his percentages were worse, but it was his first season with spot minutes . why extrapolate rickys shooting for 4 years but not Dunn's? Dunn can also slash, Dunk, has a floater, etc.
Also, realizing a team like the Warriors is far better than you is not a throw in the towel ideology. Its reality. Our team is far off in age and talent to even think about beating them. The idea is about acquiring more talent and hitting home runs so we are in a position to actually WIN, not COMPETE. This isnt football...
TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.
Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.
If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.
But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.
I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.
Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.
Well, I'll call your disagreement and raise you one!
The idea that we should suck since, oh well, the Warriors are unbeatable anyway seems silly to me. When Ricky's contract is up we do get at minimum his $ to spend. As I've said many times before, what we can get in return for Ricky now is less than his value to our team now. I'd be happy to debate this point specifically if you'd like, but there are tons of threads that touch on it.
As for Dunn, he didn't play "spot minutes". He had a very consistent role as the first guard off the bench, averaging 17 MPG over the course of 78 games. Yet his ability to shoot and score was actually worse than Ricky! And that was against opposing team's benches! Your comment reminds me of Khans' excuse for Anthony Bennett when he sucked here. Khans was adamant that a player had to play 18 minutes or more per game to develop. Silliness!
By the way, I'm a HUGE Dunn fan. I really hope you are right with your "mark my words" comment. But I think it's risky to move Ricky for a player type we already have the assets to obtain. Ricky is a bargain at his current price.
How many young players are good in bench minutes? And don't name a bunch of Spurs and Warriors because those guys are always playing with high level veterans within elite systems. They're the outliers. Those roles are best filled by veterans because they learn how to play in spot minutes. Meanwhile most young guys are coming into the league playing big minutes in college and then are being asked to cut significant time from that and still be effective. If Dunn is on the court for 17 minutes a night and he actually runs the offense for 5-10 of those minutes tell me how he's supposed to already know how to play that role and be effective? He's never done that before. This idea that guys play the same no matter what minutes they get is just dumb.
It's a different skill set to come into a game cold and immediately get into a rhythm and that skillset is not prevalent in most young role players. So yes minutes do matter for a lot of these guys because that's how they establish a rhythm and get into the flow of a game. When your time is limited you go 100 miles per hour and if you don't know how to control that car you crash. It's hard to learn how to slow the game down when you have limited minutes to make your mark on a game. You only get so much time to contribute before you are watching the rest of the game from the bench and that leads to guys playing too fast and trying to do too much. It's silly to expect a rookie to have that role down from day 1 and play like a veteran. Dunn basically doubled his production in the 7 games he started and that was a difference of 16 minutes off the bench vs 26.7 when he started. 10 more minutes led to twice the production. 6/7/4/2 starting vs 3.5/2/2/1 off the bench. To put that in perspective, Ricky averaged 11/9/4/2 in 33 minutes a night. If you give Dunn 6 more minutes does that mean he already matches Ricky's production as a rookie? Not a definite yes, but very possible. Minutes matter.
TheFuture wrote:The comment around here about Rubio being more valuable to us than what we would receive in a trade is actual silliness. So nobody else wants him for what we expect, yet he is valued here?? That is stupid. Thats a stance of just gettinf by.. Value isn't dictated by how you perceive it, it is dictated by the market. Where the majority is faring far better than us. Rubios time has passed. We absolutely do not need his skillset on our team of scorers. Dunn is a better defender already, can pass the ball off to our iso scorers, and has far more potential off the ball offensively. Sure, his percentages were worse, but it was his first season with spot minutes . why extrapolate rickys shooting for 4 years but not Dunn's? Dunn can also slash, Dunk, has a floater, etc.
Also, realizing a team like the Warriors is far better than you is not a throw in the towel ideology. Its reality. Our team is far off in age and talent to even think about beating them. The idea is about acquiring more talent and hitting home runs so we are in a position to actually WIN, not COMPETE. This isnt football...
No it's not. We've gone through this before on this board....the reason he fits here uniquely is because our three best scorers are wings and a once-in-a-generation big (offensively that is). Most teams need their PG to carry a much larger scoring load, therefore Rubio is not as good of a fit elsewhere as he is here. That limits the number of potential bidders for his services. It is absolutely possible for an asset to be intrinsically worth more to one owner vs. the "open market". That is not an alien concept.
I have no doubt Dunn will improve offensively. How much he improves, how fast he improves, and whether he can quarterback a team without any other play makers on it is where I get a little shaky. I hope you are right about how great he can become.
TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.
Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.
If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.
But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.
I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.
Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.
Well, I'll call your disagreement and raise you one!
The idea that we should suck since, oh well, the Warriors are unbeatable anyway seems silly to me. When Ricky's contract is up we do get at minimum his $ to spend. As I've said many times before, what we can get in return for Ricky now is less than his value to our team now. I'd be happy to debate this point specifically if you'd like, but there are tons of threads that touch on it.
As for Dunn, he didn't play "spot minutes". He had a very consistent role as the first guard off the bench, averaging 17 MPG over the course of 78 games. Yet his ability to shoot and score was actually worse than Ricky! And that was against opposing team's benches! Your comment reminds me of Khans' excuse for Anthony Bennett when he sucked here. Khans was adamant that a player had to play 18 minutes or more per game to develop. Silliness!
By the way, I'm a HUGE Dunn fan. I really hope you are right with your "mark my words" comment. But I think it's risky to move Ricky for a player type we already have the assets to obtain. Ricky is a bargain at his current price.
How many young players are good in bench minutes? And don't name a bunch of Spurs and Warriors because those guys are always playing with high level veterans within elite systems. They're the outliers. Those roles are best filled by veterans because they learn how to play in spot minutes. Meanwhile most young guys are coming into the league playing big minutes in college and then are being asked to cut significant time from that and still be effective. If Dunn is on the court for 17 minutes a night and he actually runs the offense for 5-10 of those minutes tell me how he's supposed to already know how to play that role and be effective? He's never done that before. This idea that guys play the same no matter what minutes they get is just dumb.
It's a different skill set to come into a game cold and immediately get into a rhythm and that skillset is not prevalent in most young role players. So yes minutes do matter for a lot of these guys because that's how they establish a rhythm and get into the flow of a game. When your time is limited you go 100 miles per hour and if you don't know how to control that car you crash. It's hard to learn how to slow the game down when you have limited minutes to make your mark on a game. You only get so much time to contribute before you are watching the rest of the game from the bench and that leads to guys playing too fast and trying to do too much. It's silly to expect a rookie to have that role down from day 1 and play like a veteran. Dunn basically doubled his production in the 7 games he started and that was a difference of 16 minutes off the bench vs 26.7 when he started. 10 more minutes led to twice the production. 6/7/4/2 starting vs 3.5/2/2/1 off the bench. To put that in perspective, Ricky averaged 11/9/4/2 in 33 minutes a night. If you give Dunn 6 more minutes does that mean he already matches Ricky's production as a rookie? Not a definite yes, but very possible. Minutes matter.
Beaubois, Cameron Payne, Aaron Brooks, Devin Harris, Nick Calathes.....these guys all had solid rookie years as backup PGs playing what Future calls "spot" minutes (when in fact they were steady minutes, just less than 18 per game) as backups. There, no Spurs or Warriors on that list!
Tons more rookie bigs also have been solid contributors off the bench over the last number of years. While you say they come in cold and out of rhythm, I can counter that by saying they are well rested and play almost exclusively against other backups.
Again, I am confident Dunn will be better because he almost couldn't have been any worse as a rookie on offense. He was eye poppingly bad offensively and I have to believe he can't be that bad again.
TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.
Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.
If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.
But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.
I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.
Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.
Well, I'll call your disagreement and raise you one!
The idea that we should suck since, oh well, the Warriors are unbeatable anyway seems silly to me. When Ricky's contract is up we do get at minimum his $ to spend. As I've said many times before, what we can get in return for Ricky now is less than his value to our team now. I'd be happy to debate this point specifically if you'd like, but there are tons of threads that touch on it.
As for Dunn, he didn't play "spot minutes". He had a very consistent role as the first guard off the bench, averaging 17 MPG over the course of 78 games. Yet his ability to shoot and score was actually worse than Ricky! And that was against opposing team's benches! Your comment reminds me of Khans' excuse for Anthony Bennett when he sucked here. Khans was adamant that a player had to play 18 minutes or more per game to develop. Silliness!
By the way, I'm a HUGE Dunn fan. I really hope you are right with your "mark my words" comment. But I think it's risky to move Ricky for a player type we already have the assets to obtain. Ricky is a bargain at his current price.
How many young players are good in bench minutes? And don't name a bunch of Spurs and Warriors because those guys are always playing with high level veterans within elite systems. They're the outliers. Those roles are best filled by veterans because they learn how to play in spot minutes. Meanwhile most young guys are coming into the league playing big minutes in college and then are being asked to cut significant time from that and still be effective. If Dunn is on the court for 17 minutes a night and he actually runs the offense for 5-10 of those minutes tell me how he's supposed to already know how to play that role and be effective? He's never done that before. This idea that guys play the same no matter what minutes they get is just dumb.
It's a different skill set to come into a game cold and immediately get into a rhythm and that skillset is not prevalent in most young role players. So yes minutes do matter for a lot of these guys because that's how they establish a rhythm and get into the flow of a game. When your time is limited you go 100 miles per hour and if you don't know how to control that car you crash. It's hard to learn how to slow the game down when you have limited minutes to make your mark on a game. You only get so much time to contribute before you are watching the rest of the game from the bench and that leads to guys playing too fast and trying to do too much. It's silly to expect a rookie to have that role down from day 1 and play like a veteran. Dunn basically doubled his production in the 7 games he started and that was a difference of 16 minutes off the bench vs 26.7 when he started. 10 more minutes led to twice the production. 6/7/4/2 starting vs 3.5/2/2/1 off the bench. To put that in perspective, Ricky averaged 11/9/4/2 in 33 minutes a night. If you give Dunn 6 more minutes does that mean he already matches Ricky's production as a rookie? Not a definite yes, but very possible. Minutes matter.
Beaubois, Cameron Payne, Aaron Brooks, Devin Harris, Nick Calathes.....these guys all had solid rookie years as backup PGs playing what Future calls "spot" minutes (when in fact they were steady minutes, just less than 18 per game) as backups. There, no Spurs or Warriors on that list!
Tons more rookie bigs also have been solid contributors off the bench over the last number of years. While you say they come in cold and out of rhythm, I can counter that by saying they are well rested and play almost exclusively against other backups.
Again, I am confident Dunn will be better because he almost couldn't have been any worse as a rookie on offense. He was eye poppingly bad offensively and I have to believe he can't be that bad again.
Interestingly, most of the guys on that list either flamed out, faded or plateaued quickly.
TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.
Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.
If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.
But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.
I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.
Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.
Well, I'll call your disagreement and raise you one!
The idea that we should suck since, oh well, the Warriors are unbeatable anyway seems silly to me. When Ricky's contract is up we do get at minimum his $ to spend. As I've said many times before, what we can get in return for Ricky now is less than his value to our team now. I'd be happy to debate this point specifically if you'd like, but there are tons of threads that touch on it.
As for Dunn, he didn't play "spot minutes". He had a very consistent role as the first guard off the bench, averaging 17 MPG over the course of 78 games. Yet his ability to shoot and score was actually worse than Ricky! And that was against opposing team's benches! Your comment reminds me of Khans' excuse for Anthony Bennett when he sucked here. Khans was adamant that a player had to play 18 minutes or more per game to develop. Silliness!
By the way, I'm a HUGE Dunn fan. I really hope you are right with your "mark my words" comment. But I think it's risky to move Ricky for a player type we already have the assets to obtain. Ricky is a bargain at his current price.
How many young players are good in bench minutes? And don't name a bunch of Spurs and Warriors because those guys are always playing with high level veterans within elite systems. They're the outliers. Those roles are best filled by veterans because they learn how to play in spot minutes. Meanwhile most young guys are coming into the league playing big minutes in college and then are being asked to cut significant time from that and still be effective. If Dunn is on the court for 17 minutes a night and he actually runs the offense for 5-10 of those minutes tell me how he's supposed to already know how to play that role and be effective? He's never done that before. This idea that guys play the same no matter what minutes they get is just dumb.
It's a different skill set to come into a game cold and immediately get into a rhythm and that skillset is not prevalent in most young role players. So yes minutes do matter for a lot of these guys because that's how they establish a rhythm and get into the flow of a game. When your time is limited you go 100 miles per hour and if you don't know how to control that car you crash. It's hard to learn how to slow the game down when you have limited minutes to make your mark on a game. You only get so much time to contribute before you are watching the rest of the game from the bench and that leads to guys playing too fast and trying to do too much. It's silly to expect a rookie to have that role down from day 1 and play like a veteran. Dunn basically doubled his production in the 7 games he started and that was a difference of 16 minutes off the bench vs 26.7 when he started. 10 more minutes led to twice the production. 6/7/4/2 starting vs 3.5/2/2/1 off the bench. To put that in perspective, Ricky averaged 11/9/4/2 in 33 minutes a night. If you give Dunn 6 more minutes does that mean he already matches Ricky's production as a rookie? Not a definite yes, but very possible. Minutes matter.
Beaubois, Cameron Payne, Aaron Brooks, Devin Harris, Nick Calathes.....these guys all had solid rookie years as backup PGs playing what Future calls "spot" minutes (when in fact they were steady minutes, just less than 18 per game) as backups. There, no Spurs or Warriors on that list!
Tons more rookie bigs also have been solid contributors off the bench over the last number of years. While you say they come in cold and out of rhythm, I can counter that by saying they are well rested and play almost exclusively against other backups.
Again, I am confident Dunn will be better because he almost couldn't have been any worse as a rookie on offense. He was eye poppingly bad offensively and I have to believe he can't be that bad again.
Interestingly, most of the guys on that list either flamed out, faded or plateaued quickly.
And the statistical difference between them is basically one more made basket per game while Dunn doubles up 3 of the 5's defensive stats. So is 1 more basket on more efficient shooting really that big of a difference to say they all had solid rookie years while Dunn's was bad? That's basically just admitting a backup PG's only role is to score efficiently because Dunn matches them in every other statistical category offensively and is way better than all but probably Harris defensively. But he had a bad year and they were all solid.
Khans, The Timberwolves averaged 105.6 points per game and their opponents averaged 106.7, yet we were well below .500. Imagine what one extra made basket per game could have done for our record! Also, did you look at assist to turnover ratio when comparing those stats? That's kinda important with point guards. How about PER or WS/48? Did you look at those?
Whatever....no amount of data or evidence I provide will ever get you to change your position on this issue, just like you never changed your position on Anthony Bennett (If ONLY he played more than 18 minutes per game...He'd be a star by now!!!).
