Tonight is one of those nights where you look at Thibs, see what roster he constructed, and feel insulted because there's no way he could have put this team together thinking they could ever beat teams like Houston or Golden State now or later and assume we as fans could believe it.
What could he really do though. He has had 1 real offseason. Like we are asking guys to compete against 2 of the best offensive teams in history. And maybe the best team in history. We need improvement out of the young guys to become a championship contender
He's gonna need them to offset what will be basically $40+mil a year in dead money between Wiggins and Dieng.
Ok we should of let wiggins walk, you are right. That would be fun going into the offseason with no wiggins and no cap space. Can't argue with you on Dieng has been real bad this year but it is hard not to pay a man who was good last year. 15 million is going to be a killer, but he was still going to get paid around the 7 mil a year mark if we didn't extend him early.
Q12543 wrote:Didn't have a chance to catch this one, but looked at the score. Not surprised. Houston is in a completely different league from the Wolves.
Yeah, KAT is ridiculously efficient and can hit shots from everywhere. His passing will only improve with more touches. Get him the freakin' ball and start running more action off of him!
Who was matched up against Anderson and did he get his 3's off of blown pick and pop coverages with Harden? If so, have we learned NOTHING about how to guard Ryan Anderson!? Never guard Anderson with a big man. You guard him with a smaller player that is capable of switching onto Harden or Paul. Houston hates the post up game (it doesn't result in a layup or 3 point attempt), so it doesn't matter if you put a smaller guy on Anderson.....
Surprisingly Butler was bad at switching with Ryan Anderson, he also made some tough ones. It was a game until 5 minutes left we were down 4 and they hit 4 3s in a row (3 well contested).
Right, but who was guarding Anderson to begin with? If it was someone like Dieng, KAT, or Bjelly, then Thibs would want to hedge the pick and then scramble back in order to avoid the obvious mismatch against Harden. So in that case, Butler needs to stay with Harden. But if Thibs has Wiggins guarding Anderson (for example) then he and Butler can just switch it every time. Eh, I don't know....Houston is really good.
Q12543 wrote:Didn't have a chance to catch this one, but looked at the score. Not surprised. Houston is in a completely different league from the Wolves.
Yeah, KAT is ridiculously efficient and can hit shots from everywhere. His passing will only improve with more touches. Get him the freakin' ball and start running more action off of him!
Who was matched up against Anderson and did he get his 3's off of blown pick and pop coverages with Harden? If so, have we learned NOTHING about how to guard Ryan Anderson!? Never guard Anderson with a big man. You guard him with a smaller player that is capable of switching onto Harden or Paul. Houston hates the post up game (it doesn't result in a layup or 3 point attempt), so it doesn't matter if you put a smaller guy on Anderson.....
Surprisingly Butler was bad at switching with Ryan Anderson, he also made some tough ones. It was a game until 5 minutes left we were down 4 and they hit 4 3s in a row (3 well contested).
Right, but who was guarding Anderson to begin with? If it was someone like Dieng, KAT, or Bjelly, then Thibs would want to hedge the pick and then scramble back in order to avoid the obvious mismatch against Harden. So in that case, Butler needs to stay with Harden. But if Thibs has Wiggins guarding Anderson (for example) then he and Butler can just switch it every time. Eh, I don't know....Houston is really good.
We switched everything tonight. Like everything, and Taj and Kat did pretty damn good containing them (harden numbers will look so much better than he played because he hit like 4 step back 3s in the last 5 minutes when the game was over, and got a touch foul on teague shooting a 3).
You are right the Rockets are so damn good.
Also the Rockets used Harden to guard Taj tonight, and Taj didn't dominate and we ran offense through Taj a lot, could be some reason Wiggins and Butler were not good offesnivly tonight. (no excuse for wiggins to be as bad as he was)
Q12543 wrote:Didn't have a chance to catch this one, but looked at the score. Not surprised. Houston is in a completely different league from the Wolves.
Yeah, KAT is ridiculously efficient and can hit shots from everywhere. His passing will only improve with more touches. Get him the freakin' ball and start running more action off of him!
Who was matched up against Anderson and did he get his 3's off of blown pick and pop coverages with Harden? If so, have we learned NOTHING about how to guard Ryan Anderson!? Never guard Anderson with a big man. You guard him with a smaller player that is capable of switching onto Harden or Paul. Houston hates the post up game (it doesn't result in a layup or 3 point attempt), so it doesn't matter if you put a smaller guy on Anderson.....
Surprisingly Butler was bad at switching with Ryan Anderson, he also made some tough ones. It was a game until 5 minutes left we were down 4 and they hit 4 3s in a row (3 well contested).
Right, but who was guarding Anderson to begin with? If it was someone like Dieng, KAT, or Bjelly, then Thibs would want to hedge the pick and then scramble back in order to avoid the obvious mismatch against Harden. So in that case, Butler needs to stay with Harden. But if Thibs has Wiggins guarding Anderson (for example) then he and Butler can just switch it every time. Eh, I don't know....Houston is really good.
We switched everything tonight. Like everything, and Taj and Kat did pretty damn good containing them (harden numbers will look so much better than he played because he hit like 4 step back 3s in the last 5 minutes when the game was over, and got a touch foul on teague shooting a 3).
You are right the Rockets are so damn good.
OK, understood. Yeah, they let it fly even if someone is in their face. And Harden is so tough because of his dribble drive and passing abilities. So, so good.
Tonight is one of those nights where you look at Thibs, see what roster he constructed, and feel insulted because there's no way he could have put this team together thinking they could ever beat teams like Houston or Golden State now or later and assume we as fans could believe it.
What could he really do though. He has had 1 real offseason. Like we are asking guys to compete against 2 of the best offensive teams in history. And maybe the best team in history. We need improvement out of the young guys to become a championship contender
He's gonna need them to offset what will be basically $40+mil a year in dead money between Wiggins and Dieng.
Ok we should of let wiggins walk, you are right. That would be fun going into the offseason with no wiggins and no cap space. Can't argue with you on Dieng has been real bad this year but it is hard not to pay a man who was good last year. 15 million is going to be a killer, but he was still going to get paid around the 7 mil a year mark if we didn't extend him early.
I didn't say let him walk, but I'm not rushing to give him a contract either, especially if I'm Glen Taylor and I'm unsure as to whether he even warranted it.
Tonight is one of those nights where you look at Thibs, see what roster he constructed, and feel insulted because there's no way he could have put this team together thinking they could ever beat teams like Houston or Golden State now or later and assume we as fans could believe it.
What could he really do though. He has had 1 real offseason. Like we are asking guys to compete against 2 of the best offensive teams in history. And maybe the best team in history. We need improvement out of the young guys to become a championship contender
He's gonna need them to offset what will be basically $40+mil a year in dead money between Wiggins and Dieng.
Ok we should of let wiggins walk, you are right. That would be fun going into the offseason with no wiggins and no cap space. Can't argue with you on Dieng has been real bad this year but it is hard not to pay a man who was good last year. 15 million is going to be a killer, but he was still going to get paid around the 7 mil a year mark if we didn't extend him early.
I didn't say let him walk, but I'm not rushing to give him a contract either, especially if I'm Glen Taylor and I'm unsure as to whether he even warranted it.
But somebody is going to give him a contract and could make the contract worse like the kings did for Otto Porter.
Tonight is one of those nights where you look at Thibs, see what roster he constructed, and feel insulted because there's no way he could have put this team together thinking they could ever beat teams like Houston or Golden State now or later and assume we as fans could believe it.
What could he really do though. He has had 1 real offseason. Like we are asking guys to compete against 2 of the best offensive teams in history. And maybe the best team in history. We need improvement out of the young guys to become a championship contender
He's gonna need them to offset what will be basically $40+mil a year in dead money between Wiggins and Dieng.
Ok we should of let wiggins walk, you are right. That would be fun going into the offseason with no wiggins and no cap space. Can't argue with you on Dieng has been real bad this year but it is hard not to pay a man who was good last year. 15 million is going to be a killer, but he was still going to get paid around the 7 mil a year mark if we didn't extend him early.
I didn't say let him walk, but I'm not rushing to give him a contract either, especially if I'm Glen Taylor and I'm unsure as to whether he even warranted it.
But somebody is going to give him a contract and could make the contract worse like the kings did for Otto Porter.
He received a 5 year max. Could it really be worse than that?
The issue with Wiggins isn't whether we should have given him a max extension or not. Failing to give him the extension would have put us in a tough position next summer facing the risk of losing him for nothing. The issue is whether we should have traded him before giving him the extension. My thought is that we should have tried.
Going 2-14 with only 3 rebounds and 0 assists in 41 minutes is totally unacceptable. If this were an isolated case or his first or second season, I'd be upset but blow it off as something that happens. But with Wiggins now in his 4th season, these sorts of games from him are far too common without enough countervailing great games. I wouldn't trade him just to get rid of him. But I'd aggressively shop him this next summer.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure what we'd get for him at this point. Ask yourself this. Would the Bulls do a sign-and-trade this summer swapping LaVine for Wiggins? I'd bet they would not. If I'm right, that tells us a lot about where Wiggins market value is and how much further it's fall this season. To further illustrate Andrew's deflated value, I'll suggest a few other one-one-one trades for comparable-age players the other team would reject immediately. (Note, I'm not considering salary cap matching requirements):
1. Wiggins for LaVine
2. Wiggins for Ben Simmons
3. Wiggins for Embiid
4. Wiggins for Devin Booker
5. Wiggins for Donovan Mitchell
6. Wiggins for Giannis
7. Wiggins for Kawai Leonard ( in spite of Leonard's recent injury issues)
8. Wiggins for Jason Tatum
9. Wiggins for Oladipo
10. Lillard
There are others I've left out, I'd love to have any of the above in exchange for Wiggins. Alas, I can't see any of those teams making that deal. The question is whether there are any plausible Wiggins deals that could make sense for us. How about any of the following plus a lottery-protected 1st rounder in exchange for Wiggins (assuming extras if needed to match salaries)?
1. Covington
2. Middleton
3. Jabari Parker
4. Taurean Prince
5. Kuzma
6. McCollum (probably would not get draft pick)
Any thoughts on who the Wolves should and could pursue realistically for Wiggins this summer?
The rockets are really really good and they can legit upset the warriors. They have counters after counters on offense regardless of your defensive schemes. Then they have 2 elite playmakers in paul and harden and harden is a scoring machine and mvp candidate. They are a bad matchup to us.
Towns was great on offense this game. Teague had one of his best game as a wolf. Butler did not play to his usual standard. Dieng was terrible and wiggins looks asleep in the 40mins he played. Probably the worst nba game wiggins has played.
