Is Wiggins soft?

[kekgeek]

May I ask the original poster why now on this thread.

In the 4 games Jimmy has recently missed.

23pts on 48% shooting. 50% from 3, 3 rebs, 2 asts 1 stl 1 blk. Playing damn good defense. Has had a positive +/- in 3 of the 4 games. He is 3rd in the whole NBA in contested 3 pt shots. 5th among wings in contested shots in the NBA. Of the 111 forwards who have played 50+ games this year Andrew is 32 in deflections. 28th out of 111 in loose ball recovered.

Andrew has his faults and like I said his lack of hand strength do really kill him. I also say he can definitely get better in some categories, no doubt. But why this thread now he has came to play these last 4 games. Why is this thread happening now.

[Wolvesfan21]

May I ask the original poster why now on this thread.

In the 4 games Jimmy has recently missed.

23pts on 48% shooting. 50% from 3, 3 rebs, 2 asts 1 stl 1 blk. Playing damn good defense. Has had a positive +/- in 3 of the 4 games. He is 3rd in the whole NBA in contested 3 pt shots. 5th among wings in contested shots in the NBA. Of the 111 forwards who have played 50+ games this year Andrew is 32 in deflections. 28th out of 111 in loose ball recovered.

Andrew has his faults and like I said his lack of hand strength do really kill him. I also say he can definitely get better in some categories, no doubt. But why this thread now he has came to play these last 4 games. Why is this thread happening now.

Honestly, it's something that's been bugging me for a while. And just maybe we fans can hold him to a higher standard then he is getting. We NEED him to improve to win a Championship. Like other people have said, he's been given everything based on talent and some decent play at times. Potential only goes so far. Time to step up to that contract he signed.

If this is just a tiny way to get some spark lit under him to step up, I hope it works in some way. No more coddling, we need to expect winners here.

How good would Wiggins be if he tried as hard like Westbrook?

[TAFKASP]

May I ask the original poster why now on this thread.

In the 4 games Jimmy has recently missed.

23pts on 48% shooting. 50% from 3, 3 rebs, 2 asts 1 stl 1 blk. Playing damn good defense. Has had a positive +/- in 3 of the 4 games. He is 3rd in the whole NBA in contested 3 pt shots. 5th among wings in contested shots in the NBA. Of the 111 forwards who have played 50+ games this year Andrew is 32 in deflections. 28th out of 111 in loose ball recovered.

Andrew has his faults and like I said his lack of hand strength do really kill him. I also say he can definitely get better in some categories, no doubt. But why this thread now he has came to play these last 4 games. Why is this thread happening now.

Honestly, it's something that's been bugging me for a while. And just maybe we fans can hold him to a higher standard then he is getting. We NEED him to improve to win a Championship. Like other people have said, he's been given everything based on talent and some decent play at times. Potential only goes so far. Time to step up to that contract he signed.

If this is just a tiny way to get some spark lit under him to step up, I hope it works in some way. No more coddling, we need to expect winners here.

How good would Wiggins be if he tried as hard like Westbrook?

How about this analogy: When one of my daughters repeats actions that they know have gotten them in trouble numerous times already but then suggest I'm overreacting because what they did was relatively minor. The frustration isn't the current singular event, but in fact accumulation of such events resulting in what may seem like an overreaction when the current event is looked at in isolation.

Yes Wiggins has had a few nice games in terms of effort and production. The problem is after three full years of inconsistency and often times completely lacking effort it is going to take an extended run to regain the trust that many of us have lost in him. Combine that with what has the potential to be a franchise crushing max contract over the next five years and he has set a very high bar for himself. Nobody made him demand a max contract, he did and received one, to now expect to be held to any standard below that of a max player will get no traction with me.

I will admit that Rubio's having never managed to live up to expectations has caused my patience for Wiggins inconsistency to be seriously lacking. I understand it's not fair to Wiggins to pile frustrations with this franchise upon his shoulders, but on the other hand he did sign that max contract so he damn well better expect to be held to max contract expectations! I will be all too happy to eat crow if Wiggins suddenly finds the drive to be great, to maximize the physical gifts that he was blessed with and that 99.999% of the world could only dream of having.

[thedoper]

This thread is soft.

[Wolvesfan21]

This thread is soft.

dope-That's what I expect to get from the Wiggins apologist crowd.

SP is right on target. It's not a short term thing. This is a long term problem. The Wolves will not win a Championship with Wiggins here if he does not significantly play harder and improve. That is really the bottom line.

[Big O [enjin:13874644]]

My opinion is that it is likely he really doesn't like the game and does not have a competitive personality. He hit cherries in the DNA slot machine and it resulted in riches but that doesn't change the fact that he'd rather be doing something else.

[thedoper]

This thread is soft.

dope-That's what I expect to get from the Wiggins apologist crowd.

SP is right on target. It's not a short term thing. This is a long term problem. The Wolves will not win a Championship with Wiggins here if he does not significantly play harder and improve. That is really the bottom line.

I get the emotions around dissapoinent. I still maintain the worst thing that happened to Wiggins was being drafted first, because it made everyone's expectations unreasonable to where he was actually at as a player. All the scouts said he was a project, and like Cam mentioned, he's been inconsistent since he was 16. All young players are inconsistent though (see Towns' defense). Being a fan takes people out of thinking rationally, this thread is a great example of that.

[Wolvesfan21]

This thread is soft.

dope-That's what I expect to get from the Wiggins apologist crowd.

SP is right on target. It's not a short term thing. This is a long term problem. The Wolves will not win a Championship with Wiggins here if he does not significantly play harder and improve. That is really the bottom line.

I get the emotions around dissapoinent. I still maintain the worst thing that happened to Wiggins was being drafted first, because it made everyone's expectations unreasonable to where he was actually at as a player. All the scouts said he was a project, and like Cam mentioned, he's been inconsistent since he was 16. All young players are inconsistent though (see Towns' defense). Being a fan takes people out of thinking rationally, this thread is a great example of that.

It's not rational to make excuses for a player who consistently gives low effort. I can accept the excuse that a player is just bad, I can't accept mediocre effort or softness. That is the problem we are dealing with.

If you can't see the difference between a Wiggins effort and a Westbrook effort then you are blind. It's been pointed out by former players, by media and Glen Taylor. Only a few here think it's OK.

Quit making excuses for it.

[thedoper]

This thread is soft.

dope-That's what I expect to get from the Wiggins apologist crowd.

SP is right on target. It's not a short term thing. This is a long term problem. The Wolves will not win a Championship with Wiggins here if he does not significantly play harder and improve. That is really the bottom line.

I get the emotions around dissapoinent. I still maintain the worst thing that happened to Wiggins was being drafted first, because it made everyone's expectations unreasonable to where he was actually at as a player. All the scouts said he was a project, and like Cam mentioned, he's been inconsistent since he was 16. All young players are inconsistent though (see Towns' defense). Being a fan takes people out of thinking rationally, this thread is a great example of that.

It's not rational to make excuses for a player who consistently gives low effort. I can accept the excuse that a player is just bad, I can't accept mediocre effort or softness. That is the problem we are dealing with.

If you can't see the difference between a Wiggins effort and a Westbrook effort then you are blind. It's been pointed out by former players, by media and Glen Taylor. Only a few here think it's OK.

Quit making excuses for it.

I guess you just have a hard time being rational. It seems to be a common occurrence with how people view Wiggins. If you can't see the improvement on the defensive end in Wiggins this year then we're moving out of the realm of reality. Emotions usually cloud rational judgement though, I think you may need a hug to get over it.

[Monster]

So now if Wiggins isn't Westbrook he blows? Maybe you should watch Westbrook on defense not even wave a hand at guys after he is barely screened. Lol There isn't many players of any that play like Westbrook in the entire league. I get the desire to see Wiggins give more effort but man that's going a bit far. You call some people Wiggins apologists but it's threads like this that just look like people are absolutely just out to pile on the guy thread after thread post after post often with nothing new said.

Having said that these boards are partly here for people to process various parts of being a fan. I get to an extent where the people frustrated by Wiggins are coming from. To be honest he isn't even my type of player. Really for the most part he is not. I've just seen so many "talented" guys that turned out to not actually have much talent to begin with. That's not Wiggins. He isn't a guy that's just had a month or 2 of good play. He isn't undersized under athletic etc. The guy is going to at least be an above average wing player and look at the league and you can see how valuable that can be. I'm willing to wait things out and the reality is that he isn't going anywhere so I'm wling to look for the bright side but I've always known the guy isn't perfect.

I did like SP's post though. It was a bit of a new perspective on how he views Wiggins and his history of players with this team.