Share Your Trade Ideas

[AbeVigodaLive]

A lot of teams are in spots like the Wolves are in with Dieng. Actually, they might be in even more dire straits... and finding out the market isn't really there.

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[kekgeek]

I think we need to make every effort possible to get off of Gourgi's contract. I'd give up G and a 2nd for a serviceable big on an expiring contract. If we could turn G into an effective wing that would be a miracle as far as I'm concerned.

I think Gorgui is pretty much untradable. What team wants to lock in 15% of their cap for the next three years for a backup big on a good team. I mean the Raptors had to give up a 1st to get rid of Carroll who is a productive wing player. Gorgui is good insurance if Kat goes down with a injury, it is not like we are paying Aldrich 15 mil a year for the next 3 years and he is unplayable, Gorgui can play, he is not a stiff but he is pretty much untradable. Even attaching a 1st doesnt mean that teams are going to want him, especially when nobody has cap space anymore. Thibs screwed up on the contract, I was wrong also, thought it was good value.

Gorugi becomes more valuable in a couple of years when his contract gets shorter and easier to move. But in the end that contract is probably going to cost us either a 1st rounder in the future, or tyus or patton. Because cap hell is coming and Gorgui is a huge reason why it is coming (along with teague but he still can play and is a shorter term deal.)

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

None of this is new. Every year we see the same thing. Teams get sucked into the game of signing guys for more than they are worth because someone else was going to do it. My stance is that if you are unsure if a guy is worth it....you are probably correct 90+% of the time. You pay stars to be stars, and you pay everyone else your scraps.

Now, that being said, the Wolves. While I completely agree that Dieng and Teague are not likely to be traded, I think we are lucky that they are both good players and not scrubs. And all it takes is a playoff bound team that is a piece away to make a deal. Both Teague and Dieng fit that bill. They are both players that could add a solid component to a playoff caliber roster....thus there is always some hope they can be moved if needed.

More likely, we would move one or both of them in the offseason. Can the Blazers really have a backcourt signed for $55MM? Teague/Dieng/OKC pick for Lillard/Aminu? Just spit-ballin'!

[Duke13]

There is very little chance of moving either player without attaching significant assets with them. In my opinion Teugue would be the easier to move. The market has completely changed. Seriously, players at Diengs level are making a fraction, 4-5 million in this markets, or the projected free agent market this offseason. I know we love our guys but Gorgui is way over paid and just doesn't impact winning.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Joe harris looks available and would be a sneaky good get.

Get sean marks drunk and show him bazz tapes when he was the number 1 HS player in America.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Joe harris looks available and would be a sneaky good get.

Get sean marks drunk and show him bazz tapes when he was the number 1 HS player in America.

Love me some Joe Harris. Plays the game the right way.

[Lipoli390]

I think we need to make every effort possible to get off of Gourgi's contract. I'd give up G and a 2nd for a serviceable big on an expiring contract. If we could turn G into an effective wing that would be a miracle as far as I'm concerned.

I think Gorgui is pretty much untradable. What team wants to lock in 15% of their cap for the next three years for a backup big on a good team. I mean the Raptors had to give up a 1st to get rid of Carroll who is a productive wing player. Gorgui is good insurance if Kat goes down with a injury, it is not like we are paying Aldrich 15 mil a year for the next 3 years and he is unplayable, Gorgui can play, he is not a stiff but he is pretty much untradable. Even attaching a 1st doesnt mean that teams are going to want him, especially when nobody has cap space anymore. Thibs screwed up on the contract, I was wrong also, thought it was good value.

Gorugi becomes more valuable in a couple of years when his contract gets shorter and easier to move. But in the end that contract is probably going to cost us either a 1st rounder in the future, or tyus or patton. Because cap hell is coming and Gorgui is a huge reason why it is coming (along with teague but he still can play and is a shorter term deal.)

Geek -- I think you're analysis is pretty spot on. I'll quibble a little bit with the reference to Gorgui as "untradeable." I suspect we could deal him for a comparably paid, comparably talented player who plays a different position. But your point still stands because why trade one bad contract for another unless you think the money is better spent on someone similar at another position. As I've said before, I'd trade Gorgui and a 2nd rounder for Bazemore even though Bazemore is clearly overpaid for a bench wing playing behind Wiggins and Butler.

Your key point, however, is that we don't have any meaningful trade options for Gorgui because of his contract and I tend to agree. For me that means keeping him until his last season at which time we can deal him as an expiring contract without having to attach a 1st round pick or valuable player even if that means paying the luxury tax for one season. I agree with you that, in retrospect, Thibs made a mistake giving Gorgui that contract even though I was fully on board at the time. But let's not compound the mistake by giving up valuable assets just to unload him. That's what bad franchises do. I'd feel differently if Gorgui were a stiff, but he's not. He's actually a valuable player and our only decent option at center behind KAT. I might also feel differently if Gorgui's contract were the difference between cap room or no cap room, but it's not. His deal, compared to a $5 million per year replacement, might bump us into the luxury tax zone in the couple seasons, but that's to be expected these days if we're serious about contending for a championship. There are far worse contracts out there.

[kekgeek]

I think we need to make every effort possible to get off of Gourgi's contract. I'd give up G and a 2nd for a serviceable big on an expiring contract. If we could turn G into an effective wing that would be a miracle as far as I'm concerned.

I think Gorgui is pretty much untradable. What team wants to lock in 15% of their cap for the next three years for a backup big on a good team. I mean the Raptors had to give up a 1st to get rid of Carroll who is a productive wing player. Gorgui is good insurance if Kat goes down with a injury, it is not like we are paying Aldrich 15 mil a year for the next 3 years and he is unplayable, Gorgui can play, he is not a stiff but he is pretty much untradable. Even attaching a 1st doesnt mean that teams are going to want him, especially when nobody has cap space anymore. Thibs screwed up on the contract, I was wrong also, thought it was good value.

Gorugi becomes more valuable in a couple of years when his contract gets shorter and easier to move. But in the end that contract is probably going to cost us either a 1st rounder in the future, or tyus or patton. Because cap hell is coming and Gorgui is a huge reason why it is coming (along with teague but he still can play and is a shorter term deal.)

Geek -- I think you're analysis is pretty spot on. I'll quibble a little bit with the reference to Gorgui as "untradeable." I suspect we could deal him for a comparably paid, comparably talented player who plays a different position. But your point still stands because why trade one bad contract for another unless you think the money is better spent on someone similar at another position. As I've said before, I'd trade Gorgui and a 2nd rounder for Bazemore even though Bazemore is clearly overpaid for a bench wing playing behind Wiggins and Butler.

Your key point, however, is that we don't have any meaningful trade options for Gorgui because of his contract and I tend to agree. For me that means keeping him until his last season at which time we can deal him as an expiring contract without having to attach a 1st round pick or valuable player even if that means paying the luxury tax for one season. I agree with you that, in retrospect, Thibs made a mistake giving Gorgui that contract even though I was fully on board at the time. But let's not compound the mistake by giving up valuable assets just to unload him. That's what bad franchises do. I'd feel differently if Gorgui were a stiff, but he's not. He's actually a valuable player and our only decent option at center behind KAT. I might also feel differently if Gorgui's contract were the difference between cap room or no cap room, but it's not. His deal, compared to a $5 million per year replacement, might bump us into the luxury tax zone in the couple seasons, but that's to be expected these days if we're serious about contending for a championship. There are far worse contracts out there.

100% there are worst contacts out there and Gorgui can play no doubt. If Kat would miss significant time Gorgui can fill in and we would lose a step because Kat is that special but Gorgui can fill in quite well, like in the first Pelicans game where Kat got into foul trouble, it was Gorgui who was a huge key to the win.

I think the one lesson that should be learned from this is don't give an extension before the offseason if the player can't ever reach max level talent. Gorgui got 15 mil a year if we would have waited I am guessing he would of gotten a J. Green (mem) contract at 7-8 mil a year and that would have been enough money saving to obtain CJ Miles. Bazz was going to get 10 mil a year and he got the min. Noel was going to get 17 mil a year and declined now would be shocking if he comes anywhere close to 10 mil a year.

I won't get to hard on Thibs because I thought it was good value at the time and I was wrong. I think this was Thibs worst move as GM thibs. With that said if that is Thibs worst move as a GM, I can live with that because Gorgui is still a very good 1st big off the bench, he is just way overpaid.

[WildWolf2813]

None of this is new. Every year we see the same thing. Teams get sucked into the game of signing guys for more than they are worth because someone else was going to do it. My stance is that if you are unsure if a guy is worth it....you are probably correct 90+% of the time. You pay stars to be stars, and you pay everyone else your scraps.

Now, that being said, the Wolves. While I completely agree that Dieng and Teague are not likely to be traded, I think we are lucky that they are both good players and not scrubs. And all it takes is a playoff bound team that is a piece away to make a deal. Both Teague and Dieng fit that bill. They are both players that could add a solid component to a playoff caliber roster....thus there is always some hope they can be moved if needed.

More likely, we would move one or both of them in the offseason. Can the Blazers really have a backcourt signed for $55MM? Teague/Dieng/OKC pick for Lillard/Aminu? Just spit-ballin'!

Paul Allen owns the Blazers, so yes they can spend that much.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

None of this is new. Every year we see the same thing. Teams get sucked into the game of signing guys for more than they are worth because someone else was going to do it. My stance is that if you are unsure if a guy is worth it....you are probably correct 90+% of the time. You pay stars to be stars, and you pay everyone else your scraps.

Now, that being said, the Wolves. While I completely agree that Dieng and Teague are not likely to be traded, I think we are lucky that they are both good players and not scrubs. And all it takes is a playoff bound team that is a piece away to make a deal. Both Teague and Dieng fit that bill. They are both players that could add a solid component to a playoff caliber roster....thus there is always some hope they can be moved if needed.

More likely, we would move one or both of them in the offseason. Can the Blazers really have a backcourt signed for $55MM? Teague/Dieng/OKC pick for Lillard/Aminu? Just spit-ballin'!

Paul Allen owns the Blazers, so yes they can spend that much.

Oh, I don't question ability to physically pay. I just think it will be difficult to add the necessary pieces under the salary cap guidelines to become a very good team. Both backcourt players are a liability on defense, and frankly, they are probably the smallest backcourt in the league.