Wolves vs the tanking Grizz GDT

[AbeVigodaLive]

Forgot about the game I guess it wasn't a bad thing. I said they were going to lose one of these "supposed to win" games. It's a little early for that to happen but I'm not that shocked it happens.

Ok I didn't watch the game (and I usually don't like to make much out of a game I didn't watch) but I'm gonna rip Thibs here. The bench guys that some never play brought that game back agains the Sixers and he sticks with them in a game that was shockingly within reach (even if it was garbage time situation) and then a couple nights later plays some 2 guys over 40mpg. That's ridiculous. Meanwhile Memphis played 11 players and won while the Wolves played 8 guys. Play MGH.

Yep, I have not ripped Thibs much this year. But Teague and Taj have both complained about their minutes being to high. Then Thibs plays 3 starters 44 minutes. When the wolves score 11 points and make 3 FGs in the fourth. It was real sad.

If the wolves get the 8th seed or miss the playoffs, right or wrong Thibs is on the hot seat. Players are starting to complain a little bit and that is the vets. And we are in cap hell with him being the GM.

I'm with Jon K on this one he says he doesn't have as much problem with the starters playing big minutes (ok maybe not 43 mpg) but it just doesn't give the bench guys a chance to get a chance to play. Look at the Clippers. They are playing guys from all over the place and somehow they stayed above .500. It does feel like Thibs with his stick to his rotation type style doesn't give some guys a legit shot of helping the team. It's either play a ton of minutes or get 10-15 minutes. That's a legit criticism of him even if you think some of those guys suck a guy like Dieng isn't as bad as he has looked this year. One thought I had was maybe Thibs wants player to speak up for others to get them shots but after Teague said something and the bench did some good things...nope. It looked like Teague was rolling for a lot of this game but...idk. I know I have an optimistic view of guys and I like seeing development and more players playing but...it's frustrating.

There will have to be a collossal failure the rest of the season for Thibs to be on the hot seat. Why? One reason is look around the league there isn't some awesome coach available. You aren't bringing in some hotshot assistant to coach this group. There isn't a great crop of guys to go out and get and starting over again probably wouldn't be the way to go. Maybe it ends up being the wrong move but I want to give Thibs another year to see if he can do his thing and keep building.

We have Butler, KAT and Wiggins. We don't need a stud of a coach. We just need someone who isn't stuck in 2008. Look at what Nate McMillan has done in Indiana. That's a guy who nobody would have thought was near the top tier in coaching who, given the right team and situation, is a coach of the year candidate. Even a retread might be able to take this team to another level that Thibs won't.

12 month's ago NOBODY thought Nate Mcmillian was the answer and the same thought when he was hired. He still might not be the answer but he has done a heck of a job this year no doubt and the GM who got torched for what he got for Paul George put together a nice roster in the offseason. Thibs likely isn't going anywhere but I'm still up for seeing what he can do with this roster for another year.

The rub is that we're left hoping for Thibs to improve as a coach... AND... as a GM.

I was on board with the hire at the time. And I was even fine with giving him both roles. That was the mini-trend at the time. That changed quickly.

Isn't it only Stan Van Gundy and Thibodeau left with the dual role? And Detroit is out of the playoffs after a few years of mediocrity... and Van Gundy might be without a job.

[Monster]

Forgot about the game I guess it wasn't a bad thing. I said they were going to lose one of these "supposed to win" games. It's a little early for that to happen but I'm not that shocked it happens.

Ok I didn't watch the game (and I usually don't like to make much out of a game I didn't watch) but I'm gonna rip Thibs here. The bench guys that some never play brought that game back agains the Sixers and he sticks with them in a game that was shockingly within reach (even if it was garbage time situation) and then a couple nights later plays some 2 guys over 40mpg. That's ridiculous. Meanwhile Memphis played 11 players and won while the Wolves played 8 guys. Play MGH.

Yep, I have not ripped Thibs much this year. But Teague and Taj have both complained about their minutes being to high. Then Thibs plays 3 starters 44 minutes. When the wolves score 11 points and make 3 FGs in the fourth. It was real sad.

If the wolves get the 8th seed or miss the playoffs, right or wrong Thibs is on the hot seat. Players are starting to complain a little bit and that is the vets. And we are in cap hell with him being the GM.

I'm with Jon K on this one he says he doesn't have as much problem with the starters playing big minutes (ok maybe not 43 mpg) but it just doesn't give the bench guys a chance to get a chance to play. Look at the Clippers. They are playing guys from all over the place and somehow they stayed above .500. It does feel like Thibs with his stick to his rotation type style doesn't give some guys a legit shot of helping the team. It's either play a ton of minutes or get 10-15 minutes. That's a legit criticism of him even if you think some of those guys suck a guy like Dieng isn't as bad as he has looked this year. One thought I had was maybe Thibs wants player to speak up for others to get them shots but after Teague said something and the bench did some good things...nope. It looked like Teague was rolling for a lot of this game but...idk. I know I have an optimistic view of guys and I like seeing development and more players playing but...it's frustrating.

There will have to be a collossal failure the rest of the season for Thibs to be on the hot seat. Why? One reason is look around the league there isn't some awesome coach available. You aren't bringing in some hotshot assistant to coach this group. There isn't a great crop of guys to go out and get and starting over again probably wouldn't be the way to go. Maybe it ends up being the wrong move but I want to give Thibs another year to see if he can do his thing and keep building.

We have Butler, KAT and Wiggins. We don't need a stud of a coach. We just need someone who isn't stuck in 2008. Look at what Nate McMillan has done in Indiana. That's a guy who nobody would have thought was near the top tier in coaching who, given the right team and situation, is a coach of the year candidate. Even a retread might be able to take this team to another level that Thibs won't.

12 month's ago NOBODY thought Nate Mcmillian was the answer and the same thought when he was hired. He still might not be the answer but he has done a heck of a job this year no doubt and the GM who got torched for what he got for Paul George put together a nice roster in the offseason. Thibs likely isn't going anywhere but I'm still up for seeing what he can do with this roster for another year.

The rub is that we're left hoping for Thibs to improve as a coach... AND... as a GM.

I was on board with the hire at the time. And I was even fine with giving him both roles. That was the mini-trend at the time. That changed quickly.

Isn't it only Stan Van Gundy and Thibodeau left with the dual role? And Detroit is out of the playoffs after a few years of mediocrity... and Van Gundy might be without a job.

To me some of the question about Thibs is his work as a POBO. What are the negatives so far?

Signing Dieng to the extension.

Bringing back Bazz this season leading to a problem on the wing when we could have gotten a possible better vet (and offering him money that fortunately he thankfully didn't take previously).

There are some other moves you can question but those are the obvious ones right now and neither were terrible looking moves at the time. Some will want to say something about Patton. He got injured and was raw to begin with. That one is one that needs more time as are other moves.

This offseason he pulls off a deal to get Butler and added Taj who has been terrific. People are understandably frustrated with Teague but he got a 1st round pick for Rubio who apparently didn't want to be hear and Thibs didn't want him around. Not too shabby.

Meanwhile the Pistons handed Langston Galloway 7 million a year for 3 years last summer. Fortunately they offset that by getting Bullock back for a cheap deal and he has been pretty productive. It will be interesting to see how this Blake Griffin deal shakes out. Harris is a pretty productive player that hasn't turned 26 yet and Griffin is a terrific player who is one of the best playmaking bigs in the entire league.

The point is that Thibs work as a POBO has shown some positive signs and for the most point he has avoided making some horrible moves the only really bad contract on the roster is Dieng. What can he accomplish this summer both in the draft and adding player in FA or in some sort of trade?

[Wolvesfan21]

Thibs as both GM and Coach end up having to appease players I think so Thibs the GM can keep them.

I speculated that maybe the players want Thibs gone and they will tank in order to make it happen. That is really their only play if they want him fired. Quit on him.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Forgot about the game I guess it wasn't a bad thing. I said they were going to lose one of these "supposed to win" games. It's a little early for that to happen but I'm not that shocked it happens.

Ok I didn't watch the game (and I usually don't like to make much out of a game I didn't watch) but I'm gonna rip Thibs here. The bench guys that some never play brought that game back agains the Sixers and he sticks with them in a game that was shockingly within reach (even if it was garbage time situation) and then a couple nights later plays some 2 guys over 40mpg. That's ridiculous. Meanwhile Memphis played 11 players and won while the Wolves played 8 guys. Play MGH.

Yep, I have not ripped Thibs much this year. But Teague and Taj have both complained about their minutes being to high. Then Thibs plays 3 starters 44 minutes. When the wolves score 11 points and make 3 FGs in the fourth. It was real sad.

If the wolves get the 8th seed or miss the playoffs, right or wrong Thibs is on the hot seat. Players are starting to complain a little bit and that is the vets. And we are in cap hell with him being the GM.

I'm with Jon K on this one he says he doesn't have as much problem with the starters playing big minutes (ok maybe not 43 mpg) but it just doesn't give the bench guys a chance to get a chance to play. Look at the Clippers. They are playing guys from all over the place and somehow they stayed above .500. It does feel like Thibs with his stick to his rotation type style doesn't give some guys a legit shot of helping the team. It's either play a ton of minutes or get 10-15 minutes. That's a legit criticism of him even if you think some of those guys suck a guy like Dieng isn't as bad as he has looked this year. One thought I had was maybe Thibs wants player to speak up for others to get them shots but after Teague said something and the bench did some good things...nope. It looked like Teague was rolling for a lot of this game but...idk. I know I have an optimistic view of guys and I like seeing development and more players playing but...it's frustrating.

There will have to be a collossal failure the rest of the season for Thibs to be on the hot seat. Why? One reason is look around the league there isn't some awesome coach available. You aren't bringing in some hotshot assistant to coach this group. There isn't a great crop of guys to go out and get and starting over again probably wouldn't be the way to go. Maybe it ends up being the wrong move but I want to give Thibs another year to see if he can do his thing and keep building.

We have Butler, KAT and Wiggins. We don't need a stud of a coach. We just need someone who isn't stuck in 2008. Look at what Nate McMillan has done in Indiana. That's a guy who nobody would have thought was near the top tier in coaching who, given the right team and situation, is a coach of the year candidate. Even a retread might be able to take this team to another level that Thibs won't.

12 month's ago NOBODY thought Nate Mcmillian was the answer and the same thought when he was hired. He still might not be the answer but he has done a heck of a job this year no doubt and the GM who got torched for what he got for Paul George put together a nice roster in the offseason. Thibs likely isn't going anywhere but I'm still up for seeing what he can do with this roster for another year.

The rub is that we're left hoping for Thibs to improve as a coach... AND... as a GM.

I was on board with the hire at the time. And I was even fine with giving him both roles. That was the mini-trend at the time. That changed quickly.

Isn't it only Stan Van Gundy and Thibodeau left with the dual role? And Detroit is out of the playoffs after a few years of mediocrity... and Van Gundy might be without a job.

To me some of the question about Thibs is his work as a POBO. What are the negatives so far?

Signing Dieng to the extension.

Bringing back Bazz this season leading to a problem on the wing when we could have gotten a possible better vet (and offering him money that fortunately he thankfully didn't take previously).

There are some other moves you can question but those are the obvious ones right now and neither were terrible looking moves at the time. Some will want to say something about Patton. He got injured and was raw to begin with. That one is one that needs more time as are other moves.

This offseason he pulls off a deal to get Butler and added Taj who has been terrific. People are understandably frustrated with Teague but he got a 1st round pick for Rubio who apparently didn't want to be hear and Thibs didn't want him around. Not too shabby.

Meanwhile the Pistons handed Langston Galloway 7 million a year for 3 years last summer. Fortunately they offset that by getting Bullock back for a cheap deal and he has been pretty productive. It will be interesting to see how this Blake Griffin deal shakes out. Harris is a pretty productive player that hasn't turned 26 yet and Griffin is a terrific player who is one of the best playmaking bigs in the entire league.

The point is that Thibs work as a POBO has shown some positive signs and for the most point he has avoided making some horrible moves the only really bad contract on the roster is Dieng. What can he accomplish this summer both in the draft and adding player in FA or in some sort of trade?

Good point about Butler. That was a legitimate move. And I'm ok with the Rubio/Teague trade all things considered. It was time.

But if the team is running with essentially a 7-man roster with only one injury among its normal starters in Game 73 against a tanking team... something is very amiss in (1) the roster (2) the coaching (3) both.

[mjs34]

To me some of the question about Thibs is his work as a POBO. What are the negatives so far?

Signing Dieng to the extension.

Bringing back Bazz this season leading to a problem on the wing when we could have gotten a possible better vet (and offering him money that fortunately he thankfully didn't take previously).

There are some other moves you can question but those are the obvious ones right now and neither were terrible looking moves at the time. Some will want to say something about Patton. He got injured and was raw to begin with. That one is one that needs more time as are other moves.

This offseason he pulls off a deal to get Butler and added Taj who has been terrific. People are understandably frustrated with Teague but he got a 1st round pick for Rubio who apparently didn't want to be hear and Thibs didn't want him around. Not too shabby.

Meanwhile the Pistons handed Langston Galloway 7 million a year for 3 years last summer. Fortunately they offset that by getting Bullock back for a cheap deal and he has been pretty productive. It will be interesting to see how this Blake Griffin deal shakes out. Harris is a pretty productive player that hasn't turned 26 yet and Griffin is a terrific player who is one of the best playmaking bigs in the entire league.

The point is that Thibs work as a POBO has shown some positive signs and for the most point he has avoided making some horrible moves the only really bad contract on the roster is Dieng. What can he accomplish this summer both in the draft and adding player in FA or in some sort of trade?

I think the problem goes a little deeper. Signing Gorgui a year earlier than he had to rather than giving himself a year to see first hand what he had, seems like a major mistake. What teams sign role players to extensions in their third season? Why blow that much capspace on a lottery team? Thibs offereed Bazz a 4 yr/40 mil contract that was turned down.

He is a supposedly a defensive guru, but even after adding 3 new starters to the team we are still one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

Who said Rubio didn't want to be here? I heard he was tired of hearing his name come up in trade rumors.

[Lipoli390]

Forgot about the game I guess it wasn't a bad thing. I said they were going to lose one of these "supposed to win" games. It's a little early for that to happen but I'm not that shocked it happens.

Ok I didn't watch the game (and I usually don't like to make much out of a game I didn't watch) but I'm gonna rip Thibs here. The bench guys that some never play brought that game back agains the Sixers and he sticks with them in a game that was shockingly within reach (even if it was garbage time situation) and then a couple nights later plays some 2 guys over 40mpg. That's ridiculous. Meanwhile Memphis played 11 players and won while the Wolves played 8 guys. Play MGH.

Yep, I have not ripped Thibs much this year. But Teague and Taj have both complained about their minutes being to high. Then Thibs plays 3 starters 44 minutes. When the wolves score 11 points and make 3 FGs in the fourth. It was real sad.

If the wolves get the 8th seed or miss the playoffs, right or wrong Thibs is on the hot seat. Players are starting to complain a little bit and that is the vets. And we are in cap hell with him being the GM.

I'm with Jon K on this one he says he doesn't have as much problem with the starters playing big minutes (ok maybe not 43 mpg) but it just doesn't give the bench guys a chance to get a chance to play. Look at the Clippers. They are playing guys from all over the place and somehow they stayed above .500. It does feel like Thibs with his stick to his rotation type style doesn't give some guys a legit shot of helping the team. It's either play a ton of minutes or get 10-15 minutes. That's a legit criticism of him even if you think some of those guys suck a guy like Dieng isn't as bad as he has looked this year. One thought I had was maybe Thibs wants player to speak up for others to get them shots but after Teague said something and the bench did some good things...nope. It looked like Teague was rolling for a lot of this game but...idk. I know I have an optimistic view of guys and I like seeing development and more players playing but...it's frustrating.

There will have to be a collossal failure the rest of the season for Thibs to be on the hot seat. Why? One reason is look around the league there isn't some awesome coach available. You aren't bringing in some hotshot assistant to coach this group. There isn't a great crop of guys to go out and get and starting over again probably wouldn't be the way to go. Maybe it ends up being the wrong move but I want to give Thibs another year to see if he can do his thing and keep building.

We have Butler, KAT and Wiggins. We don't need a stud of a coach. We just need someone who isn't stuck in 2008. Look at what Nate McMillan has done in Indiana. That's a guy who nobody would have thought was near the top tier in coaching who, given the right team and situation, is a coach of the year candidate. Even a retread might be able to take this team to another level that Thibs won't.

12 month's ago NOBODY thought Nate Mcmillian was the answer and the same thought when he was hired. He still might not be the answer but he has done a heck of a job this year no doubt and the GM who got torched for what he got for Paul George put together a nice roster in the offseason. Thibs likely isn't going anywhere but I'm still up for seeing what he can do with this roster for another year.

The rub is that we're left hoping for Thibs to improve as a coach... AND... as a GM.

I was on board with the hire at the time. And I was even fine with giving him both roles. That was the mini-trend at the time. That changed quickly.

Isn't it only Stan Van Gundy and Thibodeau left with the dual role? And Detroit is out of the playoffs after a few years of mediocrity... and Van Gundy might be without a job.

To me some of the question about Thibs is his work as a POBO. What are the negatives so far?

Signing Dieng to the extension.

Bringing back Bazz this season leading to a problem on the wing when we could have gotten a possible better vet (and offering him money that fortunately he thankfully didn't take previously).

There are some other moves you can question but those are the obvious ones right now and neither were terrible looking moves at the time. Some will want to say something about Patton. He got injured and was raw to begin with. That one is one that needs more time as are other moves.

This offseason he pulls off a deal to get Butler and added Taj who has been terrific. People are understandably frustrated with Teague but he got a 1st round pick for Rubio who apparently didn't want to be hear and Thibs didn't want him around. Not too shabby.

Meanwhile the Pistons handed Langston Galloway 7 million a year for 3 years last summer. Fortunately they offset that by getting Bullock back for a cheap deal and he has been pretty productive. It will be interesting to see how this Blake Griffin deal shakes out. Harris is a pretty productive player that hasn't turned 26 yet and Griffin is a terrific player who is one of the best playmaking bigs in the entire league.

The point is that Thibs work as a POBO has shown some positive signs and for the most point he has avoided making some horrible moves the only really bad contract on the roster is Dieng. What can he accomplish this summer both in the draft and adding player in FA or in some sort of trade?

Good point about Butler. That was a legitimate move. And I'm ok with the Rubio/Teague trade all things considered. It was time.

But if the team is running with essentially a 7-man roster with only one injury among its normal starters in Game 73 against a tanking team... something is very amiss in (1) the roster (2) the coaching (3) both.

I agree, Abe. I'm OK with the Rubio trade, but not with Teague's contract. $19 million a year for three years far exceeds what he brings to the team.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Maybe Lip.

Especially in today's NBA where the market has self-corrected. But at the time, it was less of an overpay, wasn't it? And the forgotten part of that trade was a 1st rd pick that teams covet more than ever.

[Monster]

To me some of the question about Thibs is his work as a POBO. What are the negatives so far?

Signing Dieng to the extension.

Bringing back Bazz this season leading to a problem on the wing when we could have gotten a possible better vet (and offering him money that fortunately he thankfully didn't take previously).

There are some other moves you can question but those are the obvious ones right now and neither were terrible looking moves at the time. Some will want to say something about Patton. He got injured and was raw to begin with. That one is one that needs more time as are other moves.

This offseason he pulls off a deal to get Butler and added Taj who has been terrific. People are understandably frustrated with Teague but he got a 1st round pick for Rubio who apparently didn't want to be hear and Thibs didn't want him around. Not too shabby.

Meanwhile the Pistons handed Langston Galloway 7 million a year for 3 years last summer. Fortunately they offset that by getting Bullock back for a cheap deal and he has been pretty productive. It will be interesting to see how this Blake Griffin deal shakes out. Harris is a pretty productive player that hasn't turned 26 yet and Griffin is a terrific player who is one of the best playmaking bigs in the entire league.

The point is that Thibs work as a POBO has shown some positive signs and for the most point he has avoided making some horrible moves the only really bad contract on the roster is Dieng. What can he accomplish this summer both in the draft and adding player in FA or in some sort of trade?

I think the problem goes a little deeper. Signing Gorgui a year earlier than he had to rather than giving himself a year to see first hand what he had, seems like a major mistake. What teams sign role players to extensions in their third season? Why blow that much capspace on a lottery team? Thibs offereed Bazz a 4 yr/40 mil contract that was turned down.

He is a supposedly a defensive guru, but even after adding 3 new starters to the team we are still one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

Who said Rubio didn't want to be here? I heard he was tired of hearing his name come up in trade rumors.

Jon K has said Rubio basically asked out he had enough of the whole deal and wanted to go somewhere else. Basically it was a mutual thing Jon said Rubio and Thibs was unlikely to have worked beyond last season and even though Jon has actually not held back on criticizing Thibs he has said he is impressed he was able to get a 1st rounder for Rubio when it seemed clear that he was on his way out one way or another.

[Monster]

Maybe Lip.

Especially in today's NBA where the market has self-corrected. But at the time, it was less of an overpay, wasn't it? And the forgotten part of that trade was a 1st rd pick that teams covet more than ever.

Apparently the Cavs valued George Hill enough to trade for him (sure it's a complicated calculus but anyway) and while he is a better complimentary player than Teague he has his own faults like being hurt. If the Wolves really need to move Teague later on I think they can find a taker even at his salary. There is always a couple teams that need a solid vet player to help them take that next step...or that's what they think they need.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Maybe Lip.

Especially in today's NBA where the market has self-corrected. But at the time, it was less of an overpay, wasn't it? And the forgotten part of that trade was a 1st rd pick that teams covet more than ever.

Apparently the Cavs valued George Hill enough to trade for him (sure it's a complicated calculus but anyway) and while he is a better complimentary player than Teague he has his own faults like being hurt. If the Wolves really need to move Teague later on I think they can find a taker even at his salary. There is always a couple teams that need a solid vet player to help them take that next step...or that's what they think they need.

Or Teague can be included in a trade for a better talent, especially if that team still wants to be competitive after dealing their best player away. One example of this would be Charlotte.