Shoot Ricky Shoot...
- AbeVigodaLive
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Shoot Ricky Shoot...
Let's check in with the franchise' most polarizing player.
10+ shot attempts:
4 times in first 41 games.
6 times in last 8 games.
Shot attempts by month:
October: 4.5
November: 5.2
December: 6.7
January: 7.4
February: 10.1
The aggressiveness on offense is obvious. So what gives?
- More comfortable with Thibs/offense?
- Not looking over his shoulder (Dunn sucks balls)?
- Trying to drive up his trade value to get the fuck out of town?
- Other?
[note: i dig it. i think he's been on a pretty damn nice run.]
10+ shot attempts:
4 times in first 41 games.
6 times in last 8 games.
Shot attempts by month:
October: 4.5
November: 5.2
December: 6.7
January: 7.4
February: 10.1
The aggressiveness on offense is obvious. So what gives?
- More comfortable with Thibs/offense?
- Not looking over his shoulder (Dunn sucks balls)?
- Trying to drive up his trade value to get the fuck out of town?
- Other?
[note: i dig it. i think he's been on a pretty damn nice run.]
- Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
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Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
I think it's a confidence/comfort thing for Ricky. I honestly don't believe he's actually gotten any better as a shooter from a pure skills/technique perspective. That being said, he is currently at career highs in FG%, 2 pt FG%, FT%, and TS%. Even his 3-point shot has become close to competent after a miserable start to the year.
The irony is that he is at near career lows in the one stat he has always shined in: On/Off rating. Most of the issue is defense, as his on court offensive rating seems fine. The team simply needs to defend better. And while I think he is more part of the solution than the problem, there is no denying that he's one of the 5 guys out there when the avalanche of scoring by the other team takes place.
The irony is that he is at near career lows in the one stat he has always shined in: On/Off rating. Most of the issue is defense, as his on court offensive rating seems fine. The team simply needs to defend better. And while I think he is more part of the solution than the problem, there is no denying that he's one of the 5 guys out there when the avalanche of scoring by the other team takes place.
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Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
Oh, one more thing....Even though his better shooting/scoring stats haven't translated to more wins, it certainly has to translate to a better trade value. I'm just not sure we get equal value back.......But either way, it's not a bad thing that his trade value is going up. It leaves that option open.
Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
Q12543 wrote:Oh, one more thing....Even though his better shooting/scoring stats haven't translated to more wins, it certainly has to translate to a better trade value. I'm just not sure we get equal value back.......But either way, it's not a bad thing that his trade value is going up. It leaves that option open.
I think it has translated the first 3 months 33 games played 11 wins. Last 2 months 22 games played 10 wins. Now is it a huge jump no but don't think it is shocking the more ricky can score the more the wolves win.
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Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Let's check in with the franchise' most polarizing player.
10+ shot attempts:
4 times in first 41 games.
6 times in last 8 games.
Shot attempts by month:
October: 4.5
November: 5.2
December: 6.7
January: 7.4
February: 10.1
The aggressiveness on offense is obvious. So what gives?
- More comfortable with Thibs/offense?
- Not looking over his shoulder (Dunn sucks balls)?
- Trying to drive up his trade value to get the fuck out of town?
- Other?
[note: i dig it. i think he's been on a pretty damn nice run.]
Not sure if this is a reason or not, but I like your point. Too bad you can't play platoons in basketball. Dunn makes Ricky's offensive game look like Westbrook. And he's also the guy that Thibs apparently heaps the most praise on. Self fulfilling prophecy coach?
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Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
kekgeek1 wrote:Q12543 wrote:Oh, one more thing....Even though his better shooting/scoring stats haven't translated to more wins, it certainly has to translate to a better trade value. I'm just not sure we get equal value back.......But either way, it's not a bad thing that his trade value is going up. It leaves that option open.
I think it has translated the first 3 months 33 games played 11 wins. Last 2 months 22 games played 10 wins. Now is it a huge jump no but don't think it is shocking the more ricky can score the more the wolves win.
...but our offensive rating really hasn't budged. We've been around a top 8-12 offense all year, regardless if Ricky was up or down. Our better record is a reflection of finally winning some close games that earlier in the year we were losing and a slightly improved defense (even though we've regressed these last few games on that front).
Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
Been away from the forum for awhile. Very busy. Still have watched all games. It has finally clicked for Ricky that he needs to shoot when he is in prime position to do so. Shooting on a regular basis has helped his shooting percentage. He cant just be left alone anymore. I would hope this is the Ricky from now on. I am wondering is the sentiment is still to trade Ricky? He seems like he has worked his way into keeper status.
- Coolbreeze44
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Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
He makes things so easy for us on offense, but his man defense remains a big problem. Like Abe said, he is polarizing.
Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
http://www.gomn.com/news/jason-kidd-told-ricky-rubio-he-needs-to-shoot-more/
Perhaps rubio listened?
Perhaps rubio listened?
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Re: Shoot Ricky Shoot...
CoolBreeze44 wrote:He makes things so easy for us on offense, but his man defense remains a big problem. Like Abe said, he is polarizing.
Cool, this article is for you: http://dunkingwithwolves.com/2015/09/05/on-ricky-rubios-on-ball-defense-against-elite-point-guards/
Ricky Rubio has his lovers, and Ricky Rubio has his haters - there isn't much in-between.
However, I am the exception. I love Rubio. He's my favorite player in the NBA because of his dazzling passing ability. How he sets up his teammates and finds creases to thread the ball into just amazes me. But, at the same time, I understand that Ricky cannot shoot the ball with consistency, and the NBA is a point guard's league.
If you have an elite point guard on your team, you have a chance to win every night and the Timberwolves are not to that level yet.
As I was organizing this article, my original opinion was that Ricky Rubio is an overrated defender. Ricky does a great job getting steals and he does a good job bringing the energy defensively, but I've always thought that Ricky was a below-average on-ball defender.
If you miss a shot, it shows up in the box score. If you throw a bad pass, it shows up in the box score. But if you gamble defensively and miss a steal, which ultimately creates an easy basket for the opposition, it doesn't show up in the box score. That's why many people think that Rubio is overrated defensively - he gambles too much.
I could simply look for information and statistics that only support my original opinion, but as I was gathering the information needed, I noticed a trend. The trend was that the statistics I was gathering didn't support my opinion. Instead of stopping, I continued.
For this article, I looked at all the games Ricky Rubio played in last season, save for game in Orlando when he sprained his ankle. I created a chart of every point guard Rubio faced that season and gathered their individual statistics against Rubio to validate or invalidate my original opinion of Rubio being a lackluster on-ball defender.
In the chart below are all the point guards Rubio defended during the 2014-15 season. I collected their individual point totals as well as their field goal percentage to see how efficient they were against Rubio that game. For the point totals and field goal percentages I rounded the numbers to the nearest whole. Then I added up the averages, which is located on the bottom of the chart.
As seen to the right, the point guards Rubio faced during the 2014-15 season only averaged 14.4 points per game and only shot 37%. That's really good defense. Because Rubio only played in 22 games last season, I decided to take it another step further. Perhaps, the numbers were flawed because Rubio only played in a limited amount of games.
In this next chart, I took who I believe to be best five point guards in the NBA and checked out how well Rubio defended them.
But this time, I took their numbers during the 2013-14 season because that's the year Rubio played the entire 82-game schedule. These players are the best point guards in the game so I could have easily flawed these numbers by only taking their point totals against Rubio, but I didn't. Instead, I took their averages per game that season, and compared their averages against Ricky.
In the chart below, you can see that four of the five point guards had lower numbers than their averages when Ricky defended them last season. It's important to note that Russell Westbrook only played against the Wolves once during the 2013-14 season due to injures.
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Now, these statistics aren't perfect, because there is more to defense than guarding your own man, but it does mean that Ricky Rubio is a better on-ball defender than I, along with many other folks out there, had previously thought.
Ricky still gambles too much in my opinion, but his on-ball defense against elite point guards is pretty remarkable. You cannot stop elite guards from scoring, but it is possible to bring down their efficiency and that's what Rubio did during the 2013-14 season.
Although Ricky Rubio is not quite the elite point guard that many Western Conference teams possess, he can guard them pretty well.
Now, if he only could get a consistent jumper...
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