The Scary case for Derrick Rose

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Nice work as usual Mikkeman.

To me the difference between Player 1 and Player 2 is that it's almost a different era now. It sounds crazy because Player 1 is not from that long ago, but when you think about the depth of PG talent in the NBA and the increased prominence of the 3-point shot, the Player 1 stats seem kind of "meh" these days.

The other thing about Rose is the personal drama. He was almost convicted of felony rape charges. And while he was found innocent, what he and others admitted to is just plain awful. He also went AWOL on the Knicks for a few days earlier this season. He came out the other end of it OK, but he just seems to have a lot of baggage.

[MikkeMan]

I agree all off court issues that you listed would make Rose really bad fit for our young Wolves. But purely basketball point of view, I think that Rose has still pretty much value even in modern game era. He is currently basically poor man's John Wall or John Wall without same floor vision and less defense.

Because both Wall and Rose are able to get to the rim so easily, they will get open three point shots for rest of the team. So even tough neither player is particularly effective scorer, they are still able to improve their team offensive efficiency. I think it is no coincidence that many shooters have had career years behind three point line while playing next to John Wall. (Ariza, Webster, Morris, Dudley) Also I think it's no coincidence that Bulls three point shooters (Mirotic, McDermott) are shooting clearly worse this season than last season and that Knicks three point shooting accuracy has improved this year. With Rose, the effect is just not as dramatic than with Wall.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I agree all off court issues that you listed would make Rose really bad fit for our young Wolves. But purely basketball point of view, I think that Rose has still pretty much value even in modern game era. He is currently basically poor man's John Wall or John Wall without same floor vision and less defense.

Because both Wall and Rose are able to get to the rim so easily, they will get open three point shots for rest of the team. So even tough neither player is particularly effective scorer, they are still able to improve their team offensive efficiency. I think it is no coincidence that many shooters have had career years behind three point line while playing next to John Wall. (Ariza, Webster, Morris, Dudley) Also I think it's no coincidence that Bulls three point shooters (Mirotic, McDermott) are shooting clearly worse this season than last season and that Knicks three point shooting accuracy has improved this year. With Rose, the effect is just not as dramatic than with Wall.

It's because Wall is a much, much, much better distributor than Derrick Rose.

Wall is elite. His passes are deliberate to set up great opportunities for his teammates.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I just don't get national media and why their understanding of value is so wrong. Stein reporting a Rubio for Rose swap being an acceptable deal for us previously and now he just doesn't get why we wouldn't do it when it is terrible value in the first place. Ricky has his flaws, but his value is he's signed cheap for a couple more years. Rose is an expiring with unreasonable expectations for his next contract. And somehow he doesn't understand why we wouldn't do that trade straight up. For being around the league as much as they are they just have no concept of proper player value. It's baffling to me.

[kekgeek]

I just don't get national media and why their understanding of value is so wrong. Stein reporting a Rubio for Rose swap being an acceptable deal for us previously and now he just doesn't get why we wouldn't do it when it is terrible value in the first place. Ricky has his flaws, but his value is he's signed cheap for a couple more years. Rose is an expiring with unreasonable expectations for his next contract. And somehow he doesn't understand why we wouldn't do that trade straight up. For being around the league as much as they are they just have no concept of proper player value. It's baffling to me.

Whinhorst was on with Doogie yesterday and they talked about belly and Whimhorst was like why would the wolves ever trade belly he is real good.

I was like no

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I just don't get national media and why their understanding of value is so wrong. Stein reporting a Rubio for Rose swap being an acceptable deal for us previously and now he just doesn't get why we wouldn't do it when it is terrible value in the first place. Ricky has his flaws, but his value is he's signed cheap for a couple more years. Rose is an expiring with unreasonable expectations for his next contract. And somehow he doesn't understand why we wouldn't do that trade straight up. For being around the league as much as they are they just have no concept of proper player value. It's baffling to me.

I actually agree with you here. The stuff Stein was throwing out there was just silly. Then it would almost immediately be countered by a much more grounded local guy like Jon K.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Agree about the Rubio and Rose stuff...

The Wolves aren't making the playoffs with either guy.

So why give up Rubio for cap space when the team doesn't have any cap issues? Might as well roll with Rubio and trade him for SOMETHING of value for next year this summer.

Heck, they could trade Rubio for a 3 and D wing or a decent backup 4 or anything of moderate value... AND... sign Rose for less money this summer.

[Monster]

I just don't get national media and why their understanding of value is so wrong. Stein reporting a Rubio for Rose swap being an acceptable deal for us previously and now he just doesn't get why we wouldn't do it when it is terrible value in the first place. Ricky has his flaws, but his value is he's signed cheap for a couple more years. Rose is an expiring with unreasonable expectations for his next contract. And somehow he doesn't understand why we wouldn't do that trade straight up. For being around the league as much as they are they just have no concept of proper player value. It's baffling to me.

I actually agree with you here. The stuff Stein was throwing out there was just silly. Then it would almost immediately be countered by a much more grounded local guy like Jon K.

Sometimes I think some of these national guys have so many connections that some guy from some other team that maybe knows something tells the media guy something and in some cases it's pretty much their opinion of what Thibs wants. Like Jon K says basically Thibs doesn't tell anyone what he wants so some source probably doesn't know either.