Let's make a deal: Shabazz edition

[MikkeMan]

I've seen you make that point before. What garbage do you think we'd be taking back that the Wolves would sign off on? I know I'd be looking to move him for a future 1st. If you do get a player in return, chances are they're another young player on a similar deal. Or if you do trade him for a vet, they're not going to be expensive because of the contract Bazz has that the other team would have to match. I just don't see how you think the Wolves could possibly take back a bad deal in the trade. That makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

The money has to match, but the years do not. Bazz comes off the books next year and we can use that extra cap space to sign any Free Agent we want. If we trade Bazz and get back a stiff on a longer deal - we are on the hook for a longer time frame. I just don't think it's a big deal to let guys walk at the end of their deals. It would seem to allow for more flexibility going forward.

Of course you won't trade Bazz for someone who has longer contract and whom you don't really want. But trading him for someone who should be better fit and who is still in his rookie deal would be better move than letting him to walk because we would have Bird rights for that player we received.

Players that I would try to target by offering Shabazz:

Tony Snell from Chicago. Really good defender who is better three point shooter than Shabazz. He is much worse in other parts of offence tough and it seems that he recently lost his place in rotation. So I assume they would be ready to dump him. He is also in last year of his current contract, so we would have one year time to look if he shows enough to keep him. I see that he could still become Thabo Sefolosha type of player for Wolves. I would probably try to get 2nd round pick in addition to Snell in exchange to Shabazz.

Ben McLemore from Sacramento. I'm not sure if they would be ready to dump him but lately Karl has played even Seth Curry in front of him. (McLemore has played less than 20 minutes per game since all star game.) He will be also in last year of his current contract and I believe he would prefer some other team if Karl is still coaching Sacramento after next year. Shabazz could maybe even start for Sacramento if they choose to trade Gay as has been rumored.

[Carlos Danger]

Of course you won't trade Bazz for someone who has longer contract and whom you don't really want. But trading him for someone who should be better fit and who is still in his rookie deal would be better move than letting him to walk because we would have Bird rights for that player we received.

And of course I'd be in favor of a good or equal trade. But this is the Timberwolves we are talking about. The last two trades that come to the top of my head are Thad Young for KG and Adriene Payne for a 1st round pick. Right now I wish they had not done either deal. And those are the reasons I'm leery of these guys making another trade. Getting Bird Rights to someone like Troy Daniels isn't going to get me excited.

[thedoper]

I tender him and let him get what the market will give him and go from there. I have no interest locking him up before then. He didn't show enough improvement this year to earn an extension before the deadline.

The most logical approach. Trading him for a rotation stiff doesn't make much sense since he can clearly have a place in a rotation. Let him play out his contract. If someone else wants to overpay, let him go. We have room and money to add pieces via free agency. No need to trade him now since we have that space. He isn't taking away anything from the team at present.

[Coolbreeze44]

I spoke with the agent for Ben McLemore this week and he said the Twolves would be an interesting fit for his client. I asked him what kind of dude he was because of the solid character guys we already have, and he said he would fit in well with our group and that he is a really good guy.

[bleedspeed]

I spoke with the agent for Ben McLemore this week and he said the Twolves would be an interesting fit for his client. I asked him what kind of dude he was because of the solid character guys we already have, and he said he would fit in well with our group and that he is a really good guy.

Very interesting

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I spoke with the agent for Ben McLemore this week and he said the Twolves would be an interesting fit for his client. I asked him what kind of dude he was because of the solid character guys we already have, and he said he would fit in well with our group and that he is a really good guy.

Flip had high interest in him in the past, especially during the draft process from what's been reported. As recent as this season, Milt had reached out to the Kings when he was rumored available.

He hasn't finished the season as well as I'd hoped. I don't know what to make of him. Promising skill set and physical gifts, but really, really unproven.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'd listen to offers on Bazz but we probably won't get much in return. I'm content just letting him play out his cheap rookie contract through next year.

I'm in this camp. Let him play while listening to offers. If the right offer comes in, then great - make the deal. Otherwise, let him play out his cheap rookie deal, then let the market decide his worth. If it's too much - let him walk. Isn't almost better to let guys walk vs. take back some garbage back and possibly be on the hook for some other crap contract? IDK...

I've seen you make that point before. What garbage do you think we'd be taking back that the Wolves would sign off on? I know I'd be looking to move him for a future 1st. If you do get a player in return, chances are they're another young player on a similar deal. Or if you do trade him for a vet, they're not going to be expensive because of the contract Bazz has that the other team would have to match. I just don't see how you think the Wolves could possibly take back a bad deal in the trade. That makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

The money has to match, but the years do not. Bazz comes off the books next year and we can use that *extra cap space* to sign any Free Agent we want. If we trade Bazz and get back a stiff on a longer deal - we are on the hook for a longer time frame. I just don't think it's a big deal to let guys walk at the end of their deals. It would seem to allow for more flexibility going forward.

Yay for an extra $3M of cap space. What a game-changer that'll be in free agency... (sarcasm included)

I just don't see how you could or should be concerned about taking back a bad contract when the reality is that whatever player we got back would be on a similar deal as Bazz or we receive draft pick compensation.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I spoke with the agent for Ben McLemore this week and he said the Twolves would be an interesting fit for his client. I asked him what kind of dude he was because of the solid character guys we already have, and he said he would fit in well with our group and that he is a really good guy.

Flip had high interest in him in the past, especially during the draft process from what's been reported. As recent as this season, Milt had reached out to the Kings when he was rumored available.

He hasn't finished the season as well as I'd hoped. I don't know what to make of him. Promising skill set and physical gifts, but really, really unproven.

Hard for me to get excited about this guy. Three years and 6,000+ minutes and he hasn't made a bit of difference. He's almost like Wes Johnson-lite, in that he passes the eye test and has a sweet looking jumper, but he hardly produces anything when he's on the court.

[Carlos Danger]

I'd listen to offers on Bazz but we probably won't get much in return. I'm content just letting him play out his cheap rookie contract through next year.

I'm in this camp. Let him play while listening to offers. If the right offer comes in, then great - make the deal. Otherwise, let him play out his cheap rookie deal, then let the market decide his worth. If it's too much - let him walk. Isn't almost better to let guys walk vs. take back some garbage back and possibly be on the hook for some other crap contract? IDK...

I've seen you make that point before. What garbage do you think we'd be taking back that the Wolves would sign off on? I know I'd be looking to move him for a future 1st. If you do get a player in return, chances are they're another young player on a similar deal. Or if you do trade him for a vet, they're not going to be expensive because of the contract Bazz has that the other team would have to match. I just don't see how you think the Wolves could possibly take back a bad deal in the trade. That makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

The money has to match, but the years do not. Bazz comes off the books next year and we can use that *extra cap space* to sign any Free Agent we want. If we trade Bazz and get back a stiff on a longer deal - we are on the hook for a longer time frame. I just don't think it's a big deal to let guys walk at the end of their deals. It would seem to allow for more flexibility going forward.

Yay for an extra $3M of cap space. What a game-changer that'll be in free agency... (sarcasm included)

I just don't see how you could or should be concerned about taking back a bad contract when the reality is that whatever player we got back would be on a similar deal as Bazz or we receive draft pick compensation.

$3M plus the roster spot lets them keep another player. Maybe that's a 2nd round draft pick. Maybe that's the other Euro guy we have hanging out there. It's flexibility vs. taking back a stiff to say "we got something for him". Also, your tone lately has been that of a little bitch....is "Old Cam" back?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'd listen to offers on Bazz but we probably won't get much in return. I'm content just letting him play out his cheap rookie contract through next year.

I'm in this camp. Let him play while listening to offers. If the right offer comes in, then great - make the deal. Otherwise, let him play out his cheap rookie deal, then let the market decide his worth. If it's too much - let him walk. Isn't almost better to let guys walk vs. take back some garbage back and possibly be on the hook for some other crap contract? IDK...

I've seen you make that point before. What garbage do you think we'd be taking back that the Wolves would sign off on? I know I'd be looking to move him for a future 1st. If you do get a player in return, chances are they're another young player on a similar deal. Or if you do trade him for a vet, they're not going to be expensive because of the contract Bazz has that the other team would have to match. I just don't see how you think the Wolves could possibly take back a bad deal in the trade. That makes no sense from a logical standpoint.

The money has to match, but the years do not. Bazz comes off the books next year and we can use that *extra cap space* to sign any Free Agent we want. If we trade Bazz and get back a stiff on a longer deal - we are on the hook for a longer time frame. I just don't think it's a big deal to let guys walk at the end of their deals. It would seem to allow for more flexibility going forward.

Yay for an extra $3M of cap space. What a game-changer that'll be in free agency... (sarcasm included)

I just don't see how you could or should be concerned about taking back a bad contract when the reality is that whatever player we got back would be on a similar deal as Bazz or we receive draft pick compensation.

$3M plus the roster spot lets them keep another player. Maybe that's a 2nd round draft pick. Maybe that's the other Euro guy we have hanging out there. It's flexibility vs. taking back a stiff to say "we got something for him". Also, your tone lately has been that of a little bitch....is "Old Cam" back?

How many roster spots do you think we need? We have three available to us next year without cutting Rudez, Garnett retiring, Pekovic retiring or being stretched, or trading Payne. Three spots is more than enough for what we want to do, and if we really need one more, Rudez can simply be released and it costs the team nothing. We have even more (six, specifically) available when Bazz is likely to be a free agent.

Look, the situation is this. Bazz either has value as a player here or has value via trade. Him walking as a free agent provides no value so it's much better to make up your mind about him before it gets to that point. That's really all I'm saying. Your points don't really matter when it all boils down because $3M and one roster spot don't really impact a franchise's flexibility when there's already going to be six spots available and plenty of cap space.

As for my tone, I haven't insulted anyone personally, nor have I been vicious in any way. You might be confusing me strongly disagreeing with you for an act of a poor attitude, but I can assure you there hasn't been any. My sarcasm above was nothing more or less than your sarcasm towards Abe the other day. I'd simply tell you to get over it and move along with the discussion.