CoolBreeze44 wrote:Very happy we didn't give Deng 4 years, and at the same time very happy the Lakers are using a good chunk of their cap space on guys who don't move the needle - Mozgov and Deng.
Now for some sarcasm: Nice to see how all these ex-Bulls just can't wait to get back in the boat with Thibs. They're just lining up to get back in bed with their old coach. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
I just teed up the same topic cool. Thibs had a long conversation with Gasol last night, so if we lose him too, Thibs will be 0-3 on his former players wanting to come to Minny. There may be other factors involved, but we'd be naïve to ignore this as a red flag.
Actually 0-4. Deng, Noah, Moore too.
To me it's a great sign that Thibs isn't spending a ton of cash just to get his guys.
I'm with monster here. I don't think it's fair to criticize Thibs for not getting his former players and then simultaneously express relief he didn't sign them for the contracts they were able to get elsewhere. Was he supposed to magically make guys sign for significantly less than the market would give them?
Same old wolves, And same old silly fans happy they passed up on good players because they got PAID to much or they well play more then so and so,, Well they would play more because there better is that a bad thing?
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Advanced stat guys love Hill. Duncd on podcast thought Wolves should have gone after him. That contract shows extreme confidence in him.
15 mins per game, 4ppg, 3rpg, 1apg. He got paid 12mil+ for those numbers. He'll be making more than steph curry next season.
Hahah...that made my brain explode a bit. What is going on in the NBA?
No clue, but i'm starting to agree with Abe. This is not going to sit well with a lot of players, especially those like Jimmy Butler or Klay Thompson who are locked in for another 3 years while making the same amount of money as an Evan Turner, Evan Fournier,Mozgov etc. Maybe i'll wake up tomorrow and reality will be here again.
A couple of things
1. EVERYONE knew this was coming. This has been reported for at least a year and maybe two.
2. Silver went to the players, suggested that cap jumps be spread out and smaller, to avoid this very type of thing. The players said "No thanks. We'll take the money." Seriously, you guys have the same internet I do.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Very happy we didn't give Deng 4 years, and at the same time very happy the Lakers are using a good chunk of their cap space on guys who don't move the needle - Mozgov and Deng.
Now for some sarcasm: Nice to see how all these ex-Bulls just can't wait to get back in the boat with Thibs. They're just lining up to get back in bed with their old coach. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
I just teed up the same topic cool. Thibs had a long conversation with Gasol last night, so if we lose him too, Thibs will be 0-3 on his former players wanting to come to Minny. There may be other factors involved, but we'd be naïve to ignore this as a red flag.
Actually 0-4. Deng, Noah, Moore too.
To me it's a great sign that Thibs isn't spending a ton of cash just to get his guys.
I'm with monster here. I don't think it's fair to criticize Thibs for not getting his former players and then simultaneously express relief he didn't sign them for the contracts they were able to get elsewhere. Was he supposed to magically make guys sign for significantly less than the market would give them?[/quote]
I agree with you when it comes to Noah...most of us here thought his price tag in the open market was beyond his value, so no big loss there. But Deng is a different situation. I don't think it would have taken magic in his case, just persuasive arguments that it might be a better idea to sign for 54/3 in a more stable situation like Minnesota than 72/4 in LA. The only thing Deng would be giving up with a Minnesota deal would be the difference between what he could make on a new contract at age 34 and the guaranteed $18 million LA is giving him...who knows, maybe he would have gotten the same $18 in three years, or even more.
Cool and I have completely different thoughts about Deng...I think a 3-year deal at 18 per would be very good for us, and I suspect he doesn't. But both of us are wondering if the reluctance of Thibs' former players to come here might indicate that the rumors about him wearing out his players might have some merit. I'm not saying they do, I'm just saying it's something to ponder.
I don't know if we are ever going to know if Thibs' reputation is a factor, or what exactly we offered Deng. Thibs' ex-players seem to sincerely like him and also don't want to come off sounding like pussies, so a guy like Deng is not going to say he was reluctant to play for Thibs again.
I think it's possible to carry these two thoughts at the same time: Thibs was wise to not pay the market price for Noah or to offer Deng a 4th year (assuming that both those statements are true); and, there's a possibility that Thibs' reputation for grueling in-season practices may be scaring off some free agents. We just don't know.
TeamRicky wrote:Dwight Howard agrees to deal with Atlanta 3 yr/70.5 and Horford is presumably on his way out.
I'm blown away that teams don't recognize what a cancer Howard is. All the talent in the world without passion and respect for the game, no thanks. Howard is the kind of guy I believe plays the game because he likes the lifestyle and money, not because he has any passion for winning.
I could be wrong, but a man with his natural talent being on his fourth team, I doubt it.
I'm not sure him being a cancer is the problem. I just think he has really lost it physically. That back injury really took it out of him.
I love this deal, because ATL just spent 25% of their cap on a guy in his 30's with a bad back, and they are surprising low in revenue. That means their other FA's are more available.
TeamRicky wrote:Bulls are meeting with Rondo. That's good to hear.
Just like D.Howard, Rondo wears out his welcome everywhere he goes, yet there are still teams that think it'll be different this time. How nice is it to have young, core pieces in place and not have to engage in these pipe dreams?
Well you cannot doubt that they are both extremely talented. The difference is Rondo should come at 10mil cheaper per season. For a team desperate for a starting PG, Rondo is much better option than a Lin, Augustin, Bayless, and should only command a few more million per season.
They're both extremely talented, no doubt. In spite of that talent no team has gone out of their way to keep them around, there must be a good reason for that. Both Atlanta and Chicago are filling a hole in their roster with very talented players, it's just too bad for both that they both bring more than just talent with them.
Uh...Orlando would have done anything to keep Dwight. They only dealt him because he wasn't going to re-sign with them so they got something for him instead of letting him walk for nothing. He had one bad year in LA where everyone blamed him for it not working so he wanted to go somewhere he was wanted. Then he got to Houston and they ended up the second seed in an incredibly talented conference before everyone around him stopped giving a shit on defense leaving him hanging out to dry so he wanted out of that nightmare. I think if he stays healthy there'll be a solid resurgence in ATL with Budenholzer and that staff. You can't get away with not giving a shit on that team. Dwight contributed to a lot of his problems, but he was also scapegoated a lot while talented players around him shit the bed. He hasn't been a superstar since Orlando, but he's been fairly solid since outside of this year offensively where they just stopped giving him the ball. Outside of scoring and usage his other stats have been pretty steady the last 4 years. 17/11/2 blocks and a steal per game is pretty solid for a number 2 guy.
Go back and look at that trade. It was really good for ORL. Actually, PHI took the biggest bath in the deal (pre-Hinkie).
The story of Dwight Howard since he left ORL is the back. No back problems, no cry. And he would have been worth every penny Atlanta gave him.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Very happy we didn't give Deng 4 years, and at the same time very happy the Lakers are using a good chunk of their cap space on guys who don't move the needle - Mozgov and Deng.
Now for some sarcasm: Nice to see how all these ex-Bulls just can't wait to get back in the boat with Thibs. They're just lining up to get back in bed with their old coach. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
I just teed up the same topic cool. Thibs had a long conversation with Gasol last night, so if we lose him too, Thibs will be 0-3 on his former players wanting to come to Minny. There may be other factors involved, but we'd be naïve to ignore this as a red flag.
Actually 0-4. Deng, Noah, Moore too.
To me it's a great sign that Thibs isn't spending a ton of cash just to get his guys.
I'm with monster here. I don't think it's fair to criticize Thibs for not getting his former players and then simultaneously express relief he didn't sign them for the contracts they were able to get elsewhere. Was he supposed to magically make guys sign for significantly less than the market would give them?[/quote]
I agree with you when it comes to Noah...most of us here thought his price tag in the open market was beyond his value, so no big loss there. But Deng is a different situation. I don't think it would have taken magic in his case, just persuasive arguments that it might be a better idea to sign for 54/3 in a more stable situation like Minnesota than 72/4 in LA. The only thing Deng would be giving up with a Minnesota deal would be the difference between what he could make on a new contract at age 34 and the guaranteed $18 million LA is giving him...who knows, maybe he would have gotten the same $18 in three years, or even more.
Cool and I have completely different thoughts about Deng...I think a 3-year deal at 18 per would be very good for us, and I suspect he doesn't. But both of us are wondering if the reluctance of Thibs' former players to come here might indicate that the rumors about him wearing out his players might have some merit. I'm not saying they do, I'm just saying it's something to ponder.
I don't know if we are ever going to know if Thibs' reputation is a factor, or what exactly we offered Deng. Thibs' ex-players seem to sincerely like him and also don't want to come off sounding like pussies, so a guy like Deng is not going to say he was reluctant to play for Thibs again.
I think it's possible to carry these two thoughts at the same time: Thibs was wise to not pay the market price for Noah or to offer Deng a 4th year (assuming that both those statements are true); and, there's a possibility that Thibs' reputation for grueling in-season practices may be scaring off some free agents. We just don't know.
You're right, we don't know. So I think we should be hesitant to pass judgement one way or the other. Maybe Thibs agrees with Cool. Maybe he's got his eyes set on Mahinmi or somebody else (I heard a mystery team met with Horford!).
longstrangetrip wrote:I'm really scratching my head at the Blazers giving Evan Turner $70/4. They have their starting guards, so why does $18 per year make sense for a guy to come off the bench and not shoot very well?
I'd say he's going to be their starting SF with Aminu off the bench or playing small ball 4.
2 of Harkless, Henderson, and Crabbe are likely gone with that signing. I wouldn't mind seeing Crabbe or Henderson here.
I like Turner as a player, but not at that price. With Lillard, McCollum, and Turner they have 3 very good ball handlers on the wing. All of them are playmakers who can create a shot for themselves or others. I think they'll be difficult to defend.
It's just bizarre that the Blazers have all those wings and they go out and dif another one and for a huge amount of money. I would rather have Crabbe but maybe they match him too idk. Adding Turner is weird and that's before the big contract.
POR wasn't great at SF last year. I don't know if Turner solves that, but they weren't. Aminu and Henderson (board favorites) are probably available. I think Wiggins is a 2 and they should probably explore it.
