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Seems like he has been misunderstood ever since he has been playing. I think the Canadian culture may have a bit to do with what people think they see on the outside, but we have got a great player and a great person.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14002784/way-andrew-wiggins
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thedoper wrote:Seems like he has been misunderstood ever since he has been playing. I think the Canadian culture may have a bit to do with what people think they see on the outside, but we have got a great player and a great person.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14002784/way-andrew-wiggins

Doper, I don't know if "misunderstood" is the right word. I think many of us understand exactly what he is...a remarkably gifted basketball player who has a tendency to not "bring it" every night. That's how he can have games like his first few of the season, and follow them up with jaw droppers like his last two. But while a guy like KG or Rubio, and it appears Towns, shows a consistent intensity every night, not so with Wig. He sometimes needs some external motivation. It's interesting to me that his huge game in the article came after he was publicly called out, just like his last two big games came after Rubio publicly accused him of being "lazy". Personalities on a team will always be different, and an excellent coach or team leader needs to know how to get the most out of the players on the team. Perhaps Ricky has learned what the formula is for Wig. The article confirms what I have long thought about him...that he just needs a little push now and then.
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I've never seen Wiggins take a night off playing defense. Every night he seems pretty much locked in on that end. There are other things he might not be doing at a super intense level but he gets up for defense. That pretty significant especially for a guy of his celebrated talent level. I think that's gets unfairly overlooked.

Coming into the draft I read a few articles and it seemed like he may be a weird odd duck like not telling anyone where he was even thinking of going to college. It worried me a little about him but before that so I didn't really have a good base of information. Fast forward to now he seems like a reserved thoughtful unselfish good guy which isn't really all that surprising based on the info I had gleaned. He seems like a terrific person and a bright basketball guy. You can see he understands the game on a high level when he is playing.

He seems to always rise to the occasion when the lights are brighter. When you has aspirations of a championship and you want a player to lead you there that's a nice attribute for a young player to have. Sure he may need to learn to not rely on flipping the switch but I am not that worried about him figuring it out.

Will Wiggins need to be pushed sometimes to be more aggressive offensively and maybe doing a few other things to help the team win? Yeah I can absolutely see that but he seems like a guy you can motivate. He is unselfish and calculating not just being lazy or completely clueless. There is drive there and there is also a selflessness. If you want a Team that shared the ball it's not all bad to have a guy that's willing to fade to the background at times. I have said for a while now Wiggins will probably always be criticized like Lebron KG and CP3 for defeating to teammates making a pass etc because he has a team mindset. He may not have the playmaking skill of those guys but if he becomes as dominate of a scorer as his potential suggests teams are going to try and get the ball out of his hands and so having a guy willing to make the right play is a good thing. I think there is a good chance he will be up to the task. We are damn lucky to have him.
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monsterpile wrote:I've never seen Wiggins take a night off playing defense. Every night he seems pretty much locked in on that end. There are other things he might not be doing at a super intense level but he gets up for defense. That pretty significant especially for a guy of his celebrated talent level. I think that's gets unfairly overlooked.

Coming into the draft I read a few articles and it seemed like he may be a weird odd duck like not telling anyone where he was even thinking of going to college. It worried me a little about him but before that so I didn't really have a good base of information. Fast forward to now he seems like a reserved thoughtful unselfish good guy which isn't really all that surprising based on the info I had gleaned. He seems like a terrific person and a bright basketball guy. You can see he understands the game on a high level when he is playing.

He seems to always rise to the occasion when the lights are brighter. When you has aspirations of a championship and you want a player to lead you there that's a nice attribute for a young player to have. Sure he may need to learn to not rely on flipping the switch but I am not that worried about him figuring it out.

Will Wiggins need to be pushed sometimes to be more aggressive offensively and maybe doing a few other things to help the team win? Yeah I can absolutely see that but he seems like a guy you can motivate. He is unselfish and calculating not just being lazy or completely clueless. There is drive there and there is also a selflessness. If you want a Team that shared the ball it's not all bad to have a guy that's willing to fade to the background at times. I have said for a while now Wiggins will probably always be criticized like Lebron KG and CP3 for defeating to teammates making a pass etc because he has a team mindset. He may not have the playmaking skill of those guys but if he becomes as dominate of a scorer as his potential suggests teams are going to try and get the ball out of his hands and so having a guy willing to make the right play is a good thing. I think there is a good chance he will be up to the task. We are damn lucky to have him.


I lean more toward this thinking. There is a lot going on and for us to say someone isn't "bringing it" by what we see in someone's body language is a bit complex. But terms like lazy and disengaged have nothing to do with this kid in reality from what I see.
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Good article, thanks for sharing.

I guess I view Wiggins' introverted personality as totally distinct and removed from his on-the-court actions. Each stand on their own merits. So if he lopes back on defense or doesn't win a 50/50 ball, I don't think to myself, "Oh, it's because he's an introvert."

That being said, from a locker room perspective, I really like the contrast between KAT and Wiggins. I think it's an incredibly complementary set of personalities that will serve this team well as they transition from "the young guys" to veteran leaders. My guess is that Rubio is somewhere in between the two, which also seems to fit perfectly.
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Q12543 wrote:Good article, thanks for sharing.

I guess I view Wiggins' introverted personality as totally distinct and removed from his on-the-court actions. Each stand on their own merits. So if he lopes back on defense or doesn't win a 50/50 ball, I don't think to myself, "Oh, it's because he's an introvert."

That being said, from a locker room perspective, I really like the contrast between KAT and Wiggins. I think it's an incredibly complementary set of personalities that will serve this team well as they transition from "the young guys" to veteran leaders. My guess is that Rubio is somewhere in between the two, which also seems to fit perfectly.


I agree with all you said here Q. As far as guys fitting together I will add this.

One thing I always come back to with Lavine is he seems like a really good guy (kinda goofy but just a good dude) that also seems to work hard and get along with everyone. He may have that whacky scorer mentality but he isn't a mini diva like Jamal Crawford etc. It's not just that he is like able either he seems like he is a guy people like and maybe gravitate to because he is good to be around. He has some personality. I don't want to make a big deal out of it or make it sound like he is amazing but I think there is something worthwhile about the guy he is. Maybe he doesn't end up turning out to be a good player but it's easy to cheer for him. It's a nice group of guys who seem likeable but also seem to have plenty of interest in competing. It's kinda nice.
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I look at Wiggins the same way I look at Kawhi. Neither demand the ball or showboat after makes, which is what is most often associated with "bringing it." But you can tell both are serious competitors, especially on the defensive end, even if they don't try to take over offensively. Keep in mind Kawhi was a finals MVP, there's more to the game than just how they look.
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