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[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

I am on the fence with Boogie. On one hand, he is supremely talented, and is a big. These guys are hard to come by. On the other hand, he is clearly a knucklehead. That being said, personality wise, he reminds me a ton of Rasheed Wallace early in his career. It took him a while, but he went from a complete jackass to a very productive team guy that was a key to Detroit's success in the mid-2000's.

I think Sacto eventually moves him, but it probably wouldn't be until the off-season so they can get a premium draft pick (ala the KLove deal).

That being said, I think Sacto is ripe with talent that teams will be after in trades. Rudy Gay, Collison, Koufas, Casspi and Rondo are all guys that I could see moved as this team continues to lose. Personally, I would love to add any of them with the exception of Rondo.

[The Rage Monster [enjin:8010341]]

This is exactly why I wanted to pass on Cousins, championship teams don't have those issues. Unless he turns it around the Kings will be in perpetual rebuilding mode.

To be fair, championship teams don't build around guys like Wes Johnson either.

As for trading for Cousins now... Detroit won a title with the help of malcontent, Rasheed Wallace.

All true but Detroit added him, they didn't build around him. I think a change of scenery helps subdue some personality issues, they become the new guy trying to fit it instead of running the team.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

This is exactly why I wanted to pass on Cousins, championship teams don't have those issues. Unless he turns it around the Kings will be in perpetual rebuilding mode.

To be fair, championship teams don't build around guys like Wes Johnson either.

As for trading for Cousins now... Detroit won a title with the help of malcontent, Rasheed Wallace.

All true but Detroit added him, they didn't build around him. I think a change of scenery helps subdue some personality issues, they become the new guy trying to fit it instead of running the team.

That's right, and Detroit was just coming off of two 50-win seasons and had an established core in Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, and Rip Hamilton (our own Tayshaun Prince was on that squad as well, but he was still very young). I could very much see Cousins doing just fine in a similar situation.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

Good points by the last two posters. Detroit was a winning team with veteran leadership and a clear identity. Teams like that can relegate bad attitudes to the less influential roles they should have.

But I also think there was a difference between Rasheed Wallace's personality, especially at the point in his career when he went to Detroit, and Boogie's personality. Sheed was crazy and had a quick temper, but his anger was usually expressed toward the officials or just out loud in general. Plus, he's the sort of guy who could yell at you, but it was clear it was in the heat of the moment and later he'd be smiling and laughing with you because deep down, he was actually a friendly, respectful guy. Boogie takes his anger out on his teammates and his coach, and he's always angry. While Sheed could get mad, it was usually on the surface, because he was actually a nice guy. Boogie's anger goes deep. I wouldn't want any part of him.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

He's a superstar. If you can get him for anyone not named Wiggins, Towns, or Rubio (he's the leader I expect can keep Towns both happy on the court and in place) you do it. We'd have one more year with KG on the roster to work with him and winning in general is a cure for Cousins. When the Kings were just ok with Malone you heard nothing. When Karl comes in and shops him behind his back and then they go 1-7 he goes off. They haven't been able to build around him because he is so good they always end up in the 6+ range and they've largely blown those picks on guys like Jimmer and Stauskas. I think the attitude problems are because of the mess he has been in for 6 years. I heard a podcast where they've had something like 8 coaches in 9 or 10 years since Adelman left. Put him in a winning environment and you might have some small issues, but I don't think they'd be cancerous because a core of Wiggins/Towns/Cousins isn't losing many games moving forward.

We have everything in place for a guy like Cousins. We have a coach who won't put up with it. We have a HOF'er who won't put up with it. We have a highly competitive floor general who won't put up with it. How many more pieces do you need in place to deal with a guy like Cousins? Taylor could even probably handle him because he employed Sprewell after he choked his coach out. He's the prime star this team is missing to get us a playoff spot this year and become a big three with Towns and Wiggins to become a contender in the next few years while Wiggins and Towns are on rookie deals. When superstars become available and you potentially have the ammo to make a deal you have to try because they just don't become attainable very often in our market and who knows if Wiggins/Towns moving forward is enough. If we end up needing another piece with Wiggins/Towns, are we gonna land someone as good as Cousins?

Worst case scenario if Cousins doesn't work out for whatever reason here, we trade him for a big return because there are always teams looking to add a superstar (**cough** Celtics and Lakers **cough**). But if it works out you have a potential HOF frontline, an elite wing and a PG who can get them all the ball in their favorite spots. Cousins just wants to win and he can do that here. He's been loyal to Sacramento even through all this dysfunction which is a character trait that should be seen as a positive when acquiring a star. If we can win with him he'll likely stay like Love stayed with the Cavs.

[Monster]

Good points by the last two posters. Detroit was a winning team with veteran leadership and a clear identity. Teams like that can relegate bad attitudes to the less influential roles they should have.

But I also think there was a difference between Rasheed Wallace's personality, especially at the point in his career when he went to Detroit, and Boogie's personality. Sheed was crazy and had a quick temper, but his anger was usually expressed toward the officials or just out loud in general. Plus, he's the sort of guy who could yell at you, but it was clear it was in the heat of the moment and later he'd be smiling and laughing with you because deep down, he was actually a friendly, respectful guy. Boogie takes his anger out on his teammates and his coach, and he's always angry. While Sheed could get mad, it was usually on the surface, because he was actually a nice guy. Boogie's anger goes deep. I wouldn't want any part of him.

Is Cousins really a bad person? I don't know if anyone here knows that. I've never really gotten that vibe. I think he is intensely intense and hates losing. It was reported later Ron Artest when he was in Chicago as a young player would do crazy stuff during half time like throw a ball against the wall forcefully the whole halftime off by himself. He sounded crazy. We know he is sorta crazy but he also was able to move beyond that to a certain extent. Cousins is crazy too but I don't know if it's because he is a bad guy. I am not trying to totally downplay anything because it's pretty obvious he goes bonkers and I think he goes bonkers on everyone equally (lol) but there is some good to that intensity also.

Here is the deal with Cousins and I said this at the time of the draft I think he is a guy you build your team around as a talent but you can't build around him as your leader. He isn't that type of guy even if he toned himself down a notch. So you need to find other good players that can be your leaders let him be to a certain extent but also tell him to shut his trap sometimes. That's gonna be hard to do. On top of that you need a coach that is intense but level headed enough to not take him too seriously and also call him out. Malone from what I know of him seems like the right guy. Players playing with him? Idk that's a tricky deal and I thought that when he was drafted. I don't know how much has really changed to me actually except he has fulfilled a lot of the promise I saw in him.

The good thing about Cousins is he plays ball. He goes all out most of the time except when he gets frustrated about a call or whatever but you still get a heck of a lot of effort out of him with someone with that physical makeup and skill level.

The comp to Sheed going to the Pistons is something to consider. Sheed was a very good talent but he never really reached what Cousins has and likely will be. On that Pistons team he was like a cherry on the top. Cousins is gonna be a top level player where he ends up. Can that team have some strong smart accomplished players that mesh and lead? Idk. It's going to be tough. One place I could see him actually working might be Dallas with Parsons and Matthews as players and Carlisle as coach and Cuban as the Owner. They don't have anything to offer in a trade which is the problem the places Cousins might fit the best probably won't have any assets.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Yeah, as far as personality, I think Cousins is probably a decent guy. Immature certainly, but decent.

I am with Kahns who mentions that if you can get him for role players (not likely), you do it. We would offer NB, Lavine, Shabbaz. Dieng and draft pick. That is a lot of quantity, but not top-shelf quality, so I just don't see it happening. While I like several of those guys, all are replaceable. The NBA is about quality, and that is Cousins (less the attitude).

[Monster]

Yeah, as far as personality, I think Cousins is probably a decent guy. Immature certainly, but decent.

I am with Kahns who mentions that if you can get him for role players (not likely), you do it. We would offer NB, Lavine, Shabbaz. Dieng and draft pick. That is a lot of quantity, but not top-shelf quality, so I just don't see it happening. While I like several of those guys, all are replaceable. The NBA is about quality, and that is Cousins (less the attitude).

I don't see this franchise as being a fit for Cousins right now. You need a strong FO and probably owner too. Milt MIGHT be terrific but to me he doesn't seem strong enough to go up to Cousins if needed and tell him to get in line that that will need to happen from time to time. Glen...idk that doesn't seem like a good fit. Maybe he and Glen would hit it off and Glen would talk to him as a grandfather figure and it would work. Mitchell could be a good coach for him actually idk he might get cranky and they get pissed at each other. I don't know if he fits with Towns Wiggins and Rubio either long term. Maybe those guys would work next to him dealing with him a couple years down the road but right now I think it could go pretty badly with Cousins going bonkers and ruining what may be a good thing we have. Way way way to many ifs for it to work here IMO.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Here's a timely article about Cousins and Sacramento.

4 coaches in 2 years... an unproven Divac given the decision-making duties... and an incompetent owner who "treats the job like fantasy camp." I'm telling you... Cousins might be super duper surly... but he's in about the absolute worst place for that to manifest and grow.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/11/12/kings-demarcus-cousins-george-karl-doc-rivers-celtics-stephen-curry

[TAFKASP]

Cousins is a major head case. We probably don't know half of the assinine things he does. He would try any coach's patience.

He seemed to work fine with Malone when they were hovering around .500. Having a Towns/Cousins frontline would mean death and destruction for all who oppose.

As Lip said, we don't know half the crap Cousins causes, that goes for the good time and bad. In theory he would be a great addition to the Wolves, I don't want him anywhere near the kids! Winning doesn't mean he's not trouble behind the scenes, and it doesn't mean so long as you're winning he won't explode and ruin it.

No thanks, the Kings have been bad because they've relied on players of questionable talent for a very long time.