2016-2017 Free Agent

[worldK]

Has anyone brought up Robbie Hummel as a target?

No, but I'm always willing to volunteer!

Hypothetical question: What if Hummel played every minute this season in place of Bazz? Would we have won more, lost more, or been about the same?

I know my answer!

Q, are you trying to bait sjm for a debate on robbie hummel?

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Has anyone brought up Robbie Hummel as a target?

No, but I'm always willing to volunteer!

Hypothetical question: What if Hummel played every minute this season in place of Bazz? Would we have won more, lost more, or been about the same?

I know my answer!

Q, are you trying to bait sjm for a debate on robbie hummel?

Ha! SJM actually came around a bit on Hummel after he realized that the dude actually had some smarts.

The Bazz-Hummel question is a classic case of taking a low usage/unsexy glue guy versus a high usage/sexy scorer that can't do much else and seeing who impacts the team more. My money would be with Hummel, although I do realize even if I were right, it woudn't be enough to have much of a material effect on games. May be we'd have one more win and a slightly better point differential.

[bleedspeed]

Not really. He's a career 39% shooter from the floor on almost 15 shots per game. That hurts your team more than Rubio's 36.4% on only 9 shots per game for his career. Jennings has always been a chucker, and when he's not able to score, he's damn near useless. Rubio's elite in other areas that compensate for his inability to score.

I never said he was better but he is close and would be a great backup if he doesn't have much market value and can be signed at the right price. The other thing you are not looking at is they get to the line about the same about of the time and Brandon shooting a higher % and taking a lot more 3's. He is taking 5.7 a game and making 35% vs Ricky's 30% He just seems like he would be a great backup and change of pace player for us.

[MikkeMan]

I think Horford is still the dream. He would bring some legit vet presence, D, and a real great energy match to Towns.

I used to drive the Horford wagon, and have been a fan of him for a decade now (Florida Gator fan), but...

The realist in me doesn't really think he'd look here over other options he'll have. I'm turning focus to one of the most lethal stretch 4's in the game, Ryan Anderson. We need some spacers BAD.

I watched during weekend 4th quarter of New Orleans - Brooklyn match and after seeing that I don't anymore want Ryan Anderson at all. Thad who had not been having any special night, scored four straight lay-ups against Anderson and after that New Orleans subbed Anderson for Cunningham to stop Thad from scoring on every possession.

Two first lay-ups were straight post-ups where Thad used some simple pump fakes and footwork to get easy lay-ups and then the next two possessions were rolls from pick&roll plays where Thad got almost uncontested close lay-ups as well. My opinion about Ryan Anderson that is currently based more on really small sample eye test than any defensive stats, is that his defense is much worse than any of Wolves current options for power forward. Neither Dieng, Bjelica or even Payne have looked that bad in defense in any of the games that I have seen from them.

[bleedspeed]

Not a FA but would be a good bench/journeymen guy. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Not a FA but would be a good bench/journeymen guy. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons

How much of his effectiveness is due to the Spurs magic fairy dust? I could envision him joining the Wolves and being a total non-factor.

[MikkeMan]

Not a FA but would be a good bench/journeymen guy. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons

How much of his effectiveness is due to the Spurs magic fairy dust? I could envision him joining the Wolves and being a total non-factor.

For some reason it seems that players with couple of years experience with Spurs find the way to contribute also for other teams.

Some recent players that started their career in Spurs and are currently playing for other teams:

Cory Joseph in Spurs 2014-15 15.5 PER, 56.4 TS%, +0.0 on/off and 18.3 min/gm
Cory Joseph in Toronto 2015-16 13.2 PER, 53.7 TS%, +6.8 on/off and 25.7 min/gm

Tiago Splitter is having career worst year in Atlanta after playing several decent years in San Antonio and he is struggling to get minutes but even his on/off numbers suggest that he should play more.
Tiago Splitter in Spurs 2010-15 18.3 PER, 60.1 TS%, +4.1 on/off and 19.8 min/gm
Tiago Splitter in Atlanta 2015-16 14.0 PER, 57.1 TS%, +9.2 on/off and 16.1 min/gm

Aron Baynes in Spurs 2014-15 15.9 PER, 61.8 TS%, +0.2 on/off and 16.0 min/gm
Aron Baynes in Detroit 2015-16 17.2 PER, 55.2 TS%, -9.9 on/off and 14.3 min/gm
- Baynes seems to be exception to rule in that sense that he does have clearly negative on/off numbers but I guess that most of other back-up centers would have similar or even worse on/off numbers if they would be backing up Drummond.

George Hill in Spurs 2010-11 14.6 PER, 58.8 TS%, +2.8 on/off and 28.3 min/gm
George Hill in Indiana 2011-16 15.7 PER, 56.3 TS%, +6.1 on/off and 31.6 min/gm

Only players that could be labeled busts after starting their career in Spurs with decent amount of minutes are Gary Neal and DeJuan Blair. Blair had one decent year in Dallas but after that he has not got much minutes in Washington. I don't know if there has been some injury issues or if he has been just out of shape. Neal was in pretty awful environments in Milwaukee, Charlotte and Minnesota and didn't contribute much but he has made nice recovery for his career in Washington this season.

I agree that it is probable that ex-Spurs players are not scoring as efficiently in other teams but I think it is very probable that they will be still positive contributors for their new teams. Especially if player has been able to stick in Spurs rotation at least couple of years and even more promising is if players minutes and contribution has been increasing during their Spurs years. It seems that couple of years in Spurs do wonders players understanding of game. This is main reason why I also proposed going after Simmons in summer 2017.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Good info Mikkeman. The TS% dip with every single guy is what stands out to me plus Simmons has played fairly limited minutes. I just don't see enough data to conclude that his innate skills can overcome our franchise's incompetence.

By the way, take a look at Kyle Anderson, AKA "slo-mo". He was the 30th pick in the draft two years ago and played with LaVine and Shabazz at UCLA (he was there for a couple of years, thus played with both those guys).

He was allegedly too slow and unathletic to make an impact in the NBA even though most observers recognized his high skill level and b-ball IQ. He was the perfect value pick for a franchise like the Spurs. He is in his 2nd season and making a more positive contribution to the Spurs than either Shabazz or LaVine are making with the Wolves. It's amazing how having multiple skills and a high b-ball IQ can overcome mediocre athleticism.

[MikkeMan]

Good info Mikkeman. The TS% dip with every single guy is what stands out to me plus Simmons has played fairly limited minutes. I just don't see enough data to conclude that his innate skills can overcome our franchise's incompetence.

By the way, take a look at Kyle Anderson, AKA "slo-mo". He was the 30th pick in the draft two years ago and played with LaVine and Shabazz at UCLA (he was there for a couple of years, thus played with both those guys).

He was allegedly too slow and unathletic to make an impact in the NBA even though most observers recognized his high skill level and b-ball IQ. He was the perfect value pick for a franchise like the Spurs. He is in his 2nd season and making a more positive contribution to the Spurs than either Shabazz or LaVine are making with the Wolves. It's amazing how having multiple skills and a high b-ball IQ can overcome mediocre athleticism.

Yes, I agree that there is not enough data about Simmons but I think he is player that should be looked out for next season. If his minutes will increase and he will be still positive contributor for Spurs, I would be ready to try get him to sign with Wolves by overpaying him.

[bleedspeed]

Good articles. I just like the idea of a guy like him on this team with the younger guys. Can still play and has the right attitude.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2535158-is-jonathan-simmons-the-san-antonio-spurs-latest-diamond-in-the-rough

http://www.nba.com/spurs/jonathon-simmons-scenic-route