CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'll be awfully surprised if he doesn't average 20ppg. And yes, he may improve more on defense than offense. I can buy that. It really depends on his conditioning and whether they can keep him below 40 minutes a night.
Yes I could. For the reason on how he was, and how he was used when the whole team was healthy. If the team remains healthy, does Wiggins have to continue to learn how to do stuff without the ball like Flip harped on? There was a ton of times where the play was give it to Martin on one side to do something while Wiggins stands on the other side. Does Rubio need to get his shots to improve his confidence like he did last season? Shabazz is going to take a lot of shots if he plays a lot of minutes.
Wiggins was putting up 20 PPG when there was no one else. Is Flip going to let him be the 1st option? Flip's got a pretty big love fest for Martin. He SHOULD be given the opportunity to score 20 a game, I just get the feeling that he won't get the chance to.
To Q's point, I think he is going to be more efficient this year. Just the natural maturation of a star player from year 1 to year 2. He isn't going to need as many looks at the basket, and he is going to go to the free throw line like the Macy's Thanksgiving day parade.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'll be awfully surprised if he doesn't average 20ppg. And yes, he may improve more on defense than offense. I can buy that. It really depends on his conditioning and whether they can keep him below 40 minutes a night.
Yes I could. For the reason on how he was, and how he was used when the whole team was healthy. If the team remains healthy, does Wiggins have to continue to learn how to do stuff without the ball like Flip harped on? There was a ton of times where the play was give it to Martin on one side to do something while Wiggins stands on the other side. Does Rubio need to get his shots to improve his confidence like he did last season? Shabazz is going to take a lot of shots if he plays a lot of minutes.
Wiggins was putting up 20 PPG when there was no one else. Is Flip going to let him be the 1st option? Flip's got a pretty big love fest for Martin. He SHOULD be given the opportunity to score 20 a game, I just get the feeling that he won't get the chance to.
To Q's point, I think he is going to be more efficient this year. Just the natural maturation of a star player from year 1 to year 2. He isn't going to need as many looks at the basket, and he is going to go to the free throw line like the Macy's Thanksgiving day parade.
he was already going to line more then anybody there at the end. Not sure how he improves in that area
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'll be awfully surprised if he doesn't average 20ppg. And yes, he may improve more on defense than offense. I can buy that. It really depends on his conditioning and whether they can keep him below 40 minutes a night.
Yes I could. For the reason on how he was, and how he was used when the whole team was healthy. If the team remains healthy, does Wiggins have to continue to learn how to do stuff without the ball like Flip harped on? There was a ton of times where the play was give it to Martin on one side to do something while Wiggins stands on the other side. Does Rubio need to get his shots to improve his confidence like he did last season? Shabazz is going to take a lot of shots if he plays a lot of minutes.
Wiggins was putting up 20 PPG when there was no one else. Is Flip going to let him be the 1st option? Flip's got a pretty big love fest for Martin. He SHOULD be given the opportunity to score 20 a game, I just get the feeling that he won't get the chance to.
Alex, but why shouldn't Martin, LaVine, and Shabazz get shots too? Aren't they also offensively gifted?
It could end up being a good "problem" to have, but it's one I have pointed out here lately. If all four of those guys stay healthy, they all need their fair share of shots in order to make the best use of their skills. That might mean Wiggins isn't always the focal point of our offense. I'm OK with that in Year 2. He needs to keep getting better at the "other stuff". Many great scorers took a few years to get up into that 20+ PPG territory.
I think there is zero chance that the guys all stay healthy. I also think 20 PPG is a reasonable number for Wiggins. I expect his effiiency to go up based on last seasons averages, and his usage wasn't overwhelming.
Carlos Danger wrote:Keep improving like he was doing last year. Speaking of which....his Post All Star averages from last year were:
20 PPG
4.9 RPG
2.3 APG
.533 TS%
Those are pretty sub-par. :-)
I am more concerned with wins then stats at this point. I things go right with this team we won't need a stat hero to win games because everyone is contributing.
Well, we may not need a volume stat hero, but things like shooting efficiency and keeping turnovers down are really important to winning games. Those are stats too and you can never have enough heroes in these categories!
IMO Wiggins wasn't trying to be a hero or a "volume stat" guy last year. The reality was there were not a lot of good/healthy players around him so he had to be the guy by default. Coaches (based on what I read) were asking him to be more assertive and shoot more because he was the best option most nights. Obviously that hurts efficiency (vs. just taking the easy shots). But that aside, it seemed to me that most of his efficiency numbers improved as the season went on anyhow - so, I for one am not concerned about that. As I wrote originally - it's all about continuing to improve your game which he's been doing since day one.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'll be awfully surprised if he doesn't average 20ppg. And yes, he may improve more on defense than offense. I can buy that. It really depends on his conditioning and whether they can keep him below 40 minutes a night.
Yes I could. For the reason on how he was, and how he was used when the whole team was healthy. If the team remains healthy, does Wiggins have to continue to learn how to do stuff without the ball like Flip harped on? There was a ton of times where the play was give it to Martin on one side to do something while Wiggins stands on the other side. Does Rubio need to get his shots to improve his confidence like he did last season? Shabazz is going to take a lot of shots if he plays a lot of minutes.
Wiggins was putting up 20 PPG when there was no one else. Is Flip going to let him be the 1st option? Flip's got a pretty big love fest for Martin. He SHOULD be given the opportunity to score 20 a game, I just get the feeling that he won't get the chance to.
Alex, but why shouldn't Martin, LaVine, and Shabazz get shots too? Aren't they also offensively gifted?
It could end up being a good "problem" to have, but it's one I have pointed out here lately. If all four of those guys stay healthy, they all need their fair share of shots in order to make the best use of their skills. That might mean Wiggins isn't always the focal point of our offense. I'm OK with that in Year 2. He needs to keep getting better at the "other stuff". Many great scorers took a few years to get up into that 20+ PPG territory.
They should, and probably will, which was my point about Wiggins not being able to make that 20 PPG mark. If it were me though, Wiggins is my top priority over everyone of those guys. Wiggins is the one the future depends on, everyone else is just role players
People don't think how hard it is to score 20 points a game. Martin made it there last year and people thought he chucked up way too many shots. Actually he shot the ball extremely well, way better then Wiggins is at this point. There's just too many people on this team that need and will take a bunch of shots. I don't think we'll see as much "give the ball to Wiggins in the post and let him work" which let him average 20 points a game, with everyone healthy. The team doesn't really have a lot of passing outside Rubio
I am not a fan of stat predictions because there are so many factors that can't be known and thisbte is no different. It's fun to put up whatbyoubthinl but I have another perspective to put forth that I considered reading this thread.
I feel like Wiggins may be a guy that even if he reaches his ceiling may be a guy that gets negative remarks because he doesn't just "take over" offensively like a Kobe or Jordan etc did. KG and Lebron have that same issue. Obviously those guys are some of the best all-around talents ever to play the game and I don't know if Wiggins will end up being that well rounded but I see a guy that's a smart team oriented dude that will defer at times and will get ripped for it sometimes correctly and sometimes unfairly. I am not saying Wiggins won't be a guy that will take over or a guy that won't be a top guy on a championship team because he COULD be (it's still early but I like what I see) but the point is that he isn't just going from be looking for his. It's handy that we have some scorers like Lavine and Bazz that could be a nice blend with Wiggins especially Lavine.
Wiggins showed flashes of having that aggressive scoring thing many wondered when he came out of Kansas that he may lack and it feels like coaching didn't get credit for that. Maybe they shouldn't or maybe they should. We will maybe never really know but I think some of the wow moments we saw out of wiggins attacking (as well as the Wolves as a team getting to the line) is a pretty significant development that was happened under the watch of the coaching staff.
Overall I am extremely excited to see what Wiggins does this year. I am actually maybe as high on Wiggins as any poster here. It will take time for him tongetbthere but it's a few things that he showed he could do at a young age and the amount he improved that sold be on him and I wasn't sold on him even when he became a wolf. I liked him and thought he would become a good player but I saw enough my hopes are pretty high. Let's hope the defensive side he showed ramps up. I think he could be very special on that end. He has the general talent and willingness and seems to relish the idea of that end. Hopefully he can put in the time and effort to become one of the best in the league on that end and if so...yeah.
I have mixed feelings on whether we should be forcing the issue with Wiggins as the alpha scorer for this squad. On the one hand, he truly came alive when Flip had no other options after all the injuries. I mean, he really took off in January. On the other hand, he's got a lot of work to do on how to play better off the ball. His rebounding was anemic; his catch and shoot 3-ball is weak; and by always having plays run for him, he never really learned how to generate easier looks for himself. Recall how he lopes down the court versus sprints? He is the exact opposite of Shabazz when it comes to hunting for easy shots.
