Williams>LaVine
Young>Bennett
Pek>Dieng
Martin= or > than Shabazz
Wiggins>Budinger
Wiggins is about the only guy that has outperformed his closest vet comparison. Not sure where you're coming from on that statement.
There were stretches when Lavine out played Williams. I recall a couple games being lost when Williams came in for Lavine. Young was outplayed at times by an out of position Adrien. I also disagree about Bazz. He does more all around than Martin and helps Wiggins a lot more.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I don't mind winning if it is Wiggins, Lavine. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bennett helping us do it. Not a fan of big minutes for Thad and Martin to help us win.
Eh, I don't know. I actually think it helps these guys to develop because they are now being put in roles where they are more likely to be successful (especially AB and LaVine). I just disagree with the philosophy that every young player develops best by being thrown into the fire with other young players and then crank up their minutes to the max. I prefer the blended approach where they are playing with competent and experienced players.
These vets are journeymen players. Its not like we have Garnett leading them. Fact is the young guys have been better than the vets this year.
Kevin Martin, Thaddeus Young and Nikola Pekovic are journeymen players? Mo Williams, sure, I can see that one. You make no sense when grouping the other three in.
Q12543 wrote:Cool, Your logic and example don't make any sense. You do realize we just posted one of the worst stretches of basketball in franchise history with the young guys leading the way? Yes, Young and Williams were a part of that mix, but Dieng, Wiggins, Shabazz, LaVine, and Bennett collectively played far more minutes.
All you need to do is go down the list of ON/Off numbers and see how much better we are when the vets are on the court vs. the young guys. If these young guys could so easily lap our vets, than why didn't they play better against the real competition?
I would argue that they did play better. Wiggins, Dieng and Shabazz were better than any of the vets. I'm not going to apologize for 1st and 2nd year players not beating up on the Western conference. How many wins do you think we would have if 22-5-15 hadn't played this year? I thought so.
TheGrey08 wrote:Why are we talking about Pek? I thought we were focusing on Williams, Martin & Thad (especially when Bleed specifically referenced the latter 2).
TheGrey08 wrote:Why are we talking about Pek? I thought we were focusing on Williams, Martin & Thad (especially when Bleed specifically referenced the latter 2).
Fine. Take Pekovic out of the equation. My point still stands.
Definitely, for most of the year Wiggins, Dieng, Bazz, Lavine > Young, Williams and I'd throw in Martin if we compared him since returning with others. Sure he's probably the best scorer, but there's more to the game than that.
