I will be devastated if we fall to 4 in the lottery

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

So, basically, Plumlee was just a product of old man Garnett and he's not actually a young, 6'11 big with really good athleticism and all that? Okay... Me thinks Plumlee's just a pretty decent hooper all by himself when he puts his big boy pants on.

KG's always had a positive "on the court" presence. The issue here is that he's only on the court for 20 minutes MAX for just over half of the season at this stage of his career. Secondly, there are plenty on this board that lean on KG's mentoring/teaching/miracle-working off of the court. They believe that he can fix Bennett and Payne simply by transmitting his basketball wisdom into another player. That's silly and untrue.

[Phenom]

I dont personally believe KG can turn sewage into gold but I think he can polish the gold we currently have. Good enough for me.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I dont personally believe KG can turn sewage into gold but I think he can polish the gold we currently have. Good enough for me.

(if only we had the gold you refer to. Copper perhaps?)

[Phenom]

I dont personally believe KG can turn sewage into gold but I think he can polish the gold we currently have. Good enough for me.

(if only we had the gold you refer to. Copper perhaps?)

You have to think Wiggins is at least silver.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I dont personally believe KG can turn sewage into gold but I think he can polish the gold we currently have. Good enough for me.

(if only we had the gold you refer to. Copper perhaps?)

You have to think Wiggins is at least silver.

Wiggins is silver/gold, but he's a wing, not a big. And I think with someone that already has as strong of a support system as he does, a guy like KG isn't going to add much value. Again, this stuff gets way oversold by the media and fans because it's a feel good story. KG isn't going to move the needle much.

What would move the needle is getting a coach with fresh ideas and a defensive background. We've seen tons of examples of how that kind of non-player personnel move can seriously move the needle. Unfortunately, Flip isn't going to fire himself for at least another season or two.

[Monster]

I dont personally believe KG can turn sewage into gold but I think he can polish the gold we currently have. Good enough for me.

(if only we had the gold you refer to. Copper perhaps?)

You have to think Wiggins is at least silver.

Wiggins is silver/gold, but he's a wing, not a big. And I think with someone that already has as strong of a support system as he does, a guy like KG isn't going to add much value. Again, this stuff gets way oversold by the media and fans because it's a feel good story. KG isn't going to move the needle much.

What would move the needle is getting a coach with fresh ideas and a defensive background. We've seen tons of examples of how that kind of non-player personnel move can seriously move the needle. Unfortunately, Flip isn't going to fire himself for at least another season or two.

The question to me is who is the future leader of this team? Does KG help Wiggins or someone else become that? I am not saying he will do that but if he helps that happen it could be significant. This team hasn't had a team leader since KG left and its a significant reason why this teams has been awful. Of course poor talent, injuries, terrible personel moves are big factors too but yeah. Lol

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I dont personally believe KG can turn sewage into gold but I think he can polish the gold we currently have. Good enough for me.

(if only we had the gold you refer to. Copper perhaps?)

You have to think Wiggins is at least silver.

Wiggins is silver/gold, but he's a wing, not a big. And I think with someone that already has as strong of a support system as he does, a guy like KG isn't going to add much value. Again, this stuff gets way oversold by the media and fans because it's a feel good story. KG isn't going to move the needle much.

What would move the needle is getting a coach with fresh ideas and a defensive background. We've seen tons of examples of how that kind of non-player personnel move can seriously move the needle. Unfortunately, Flip isn't going to fire himself for at least another season or two.

The question to me is who is the future leader of this team? Does KG help Wiggins or someone else become that? I am not saying he will do that but if he helps that happen it could be significant. This team hasn't had a team leader since KG left and its a significant reason why this teams has been awful. Of course poor talent, injuries, terrible personel moves are big factors too but yeah. Lol

I think Rubio has proven to be a leader. His problem is just staying on the court, but it's no coincidence everything runs a lot better with him out there directing traffic. I think Wiggins just has to develop the leadership to take the ball out of Ricky's hands when we need a bucket which will take a little more time in the league both from a peer respect POV and to further polish his game so it is a good option and not just a better option than Ricky.

[TheGrey08]

First, no way would I be looking at trading Lavine at this point. Certainly not for a WCS (who very well become a solid player). Lavine has start potential and he showed spurts of it. I can't wait to see what he does in year 2.

Second, no way in hell would I want Jordan with his salary while also giving up solid-good young assets. It doesn't work here. It probably only works on teams that can afford to overpay like the Clippers.

Third, KG's "mentoring".. to be fair the team wasn't even able to fully practice and KG wasn't playing in games. Both being the 2 spots I would expect the most effect from KG. I think people have been exaggerating the hell out of all the mentoring talk. Not one person ever said he was a fucking miracle worker like some of you act like.

Seriously though... it's getting really fucking annoying how people have been exaggerating other people's comments here lately. It gets old extremely fast. It makes me want to just tune out and not bother reading. Can we stop with all the BS already? It's fine if you disagree with someone's point, but take it at face value without twisting people's words and grossly exaggerating things.

[TRKO [enjin:12664595]]

While the Garnett mentor thing is overblown, he would be great to have with Towns or Okafor for a year or two. The guy has knowledge and can really help those kids with it. After reading Pierce's comments in that article it would be great for these young guys to see the intensity and hard work it takes day in and day out to be great as a team. Garnett can't make a turd into gold, but he can pass some tidbits to the young guys to really help. As a 27 year old it does me a ton of good to work with the older successful guys. I get to see how they reached the level they are at and I benefit from learning the lessons they had to learn the hard way. I feel Garnett could be the same.

[MikkeMan]

Has DJ ever been given the ball and been able to get a bucket on his own with no help? I don't think I've ever seen it and that's why he's not a max guy. 90-100% of his offense comes from foul shooting which he sucks at and being setup by other teammates. 92% of his shot attempts come from within 3 feet of the basket. That's why 71% FG% is not that impressive. His FG% drops to 37% from 3-10 feet. He has a usage rate of 14. Real stars are in the mid to high 20's. His best average was less than 15 PPG when Griffin was out when if he is as good as you make him out to be, they should have used him a lot more offensively to try to make up for missing Blake. There's a reason they didn't. The guy needs to be setup for almost everything he gets and you can't be a max player if you have to rely on others to be effective. Chandler isn't a max player. He is paid well, but he's not a max guy. DJ's not good enough. He's good, but he's not good enough to pay him 15+ million to keep him on his next contract. You have to at least have a semblance of your own offensive game at that point and he has nothing.

It is simply not true that 90-100% of DJ's offence would come from foul shooting and other people setting him up since only 69% of his baskets have been assisted. It would be probably true if you would totally forget baskets from offensive rebounds but you cannot do that because those are real scoring opportunities created by DJ himself. He creates possessions also for others with his offensive rebounding since he has almost 400 offensive rebounds and only 232 put back attempts.

If we only consider offensive end, I will currently rank DJ more valuable than Dwight Howard. We can compare their scoring statistics and see if anyone will agree with that.

DeAndre:
Transition: 1.13 FGA/GM 1.42 PPS
Rollman: 1.25 FGA/GM 1.36 PPS
Post-up: 0.80 FGA/GM 0.74 PPS
Cut: 2.34 FGA/GM 1.43 PPS
Putbacks: 2.83 FGA/GM 1.11 PPS

Dwight:
Transition: 0.71 FGA 1.45 PPS
Rollman: 1.65 FGA 1.35 PPS
Post-up: 7.92 FGA 0.75 PPS
Cut: 2.14 FGA 1.52 PPS
Putbacks: 1.88 FGA 1.13 PPS

Dwight has about same or better efficiency rate in all possession types. Why I still prefer DJ over him in offense? It is simply because you won't need to waste 8 possessions per game to very inefficient post-ups to keep DJ happy. I think it is very important to have some players in your starting five that can score efficiently without any plays to drawn them and DJ is one of the best in that.

He is really big reason why Clippers have had most efficient offense in whole NBA during last two years. I think he is 2nd biggest reason after CP3. Yes, I think that DJ has been even more important than Griffin. They scored this season 16.4 pts per 100 possessions more when DJ was on floor vs when he was off floor that 2nd highest difference for Ortg in Clippers team after CP3.

I still might not think that DJ would be worth of maximum contract but it is mainly because I think his defense is not that good as people think. Opponent FG% at rim with DJ has been .485 when real elite rim protectors like Gobert, Ibaka, Bogut and Hibbert have it around .40 to .43 Also if DJ would be really good defender, you would think that Clippers Drtg would have been typically worse in most the seasons when he is off the floor compared when he is on the floor. But only 2011-12 season it was slightly worse without DJ. Every other season Clippers have had better Drtg without DJ on the floor. I think this cannot be just coincidence, especially since Clippers backup centers, Hawes, Davis, Hollins, Mullens and Kaman have not that good reputation as defenders.