BloopOracle wrote:Abe you should have treated Chris Webber with more respect when you met him, you could be running a NBA team by now if you were nicer to him lololol
Actually, I put all my Fab Five stock into Jimmy King and Ray Jackson.
In hindsight, I might have screwed that one up a bit.
* denotes the Detroit Pistons.
^ denotes the Washington Wizards.
The rest are Minnesota Timberwolves.
Great research, Cam. Very troubling. Note that the Pistons were Flip's only team not near the bottom in 3-point attempts. But he didn't build that team. He inherited it after it was already an elite team. And note further that the Pistons' 3-point attempt ranking fell in each of the three seasons he coached there -- further indicating Flip's impact on a team he coaches.
* denotes the Detroit Pistons.
^ denotes the Washington Wizards.
The rest are Minnesota Timberwolves.
Great research, Cam. Very troubling. Note that the Pistons were Flip's only team not near the bottom in 3-point attempts. But he didn't build that team. He inherited it after it was already an elite team. And note further that the Pistons' 3-point attempt ranking fell in each of the three seasons he coached there -- further indicating Flip's impact on a team he coaches.
I was thinking the same when I noticed how Pistons number of three point attempts was decreasing every year. But it seems that it was not just because of Flip since in the year after Flip left Pistons finished 28th. What is even stranger is that Pistons were 2004 26th and 2005 22nd in three point attempts. So it looks like they jumped dramatically from 22nd to 10th in 3-point attempts after Flip started to couch them. 2004 looks really strange, since Pistons won championship that year despite their really low amount of three pointers.
I did some research about how league champions have ranked in 3-point attempts in last 20 years:
1994 Houston 1st
1995 Houston 1st
1996 Chicago 15th
1997 Chicago 11th
1998 Chicago 14th
1999 San Antonio 25th
2000 Lakers 17th
2001 Lakers 9th
2002 Lakers 7th
2003 San Antonio 11th
2004 Detroit 26th
2005 San Antonio 13th
2006 Miami 12th
2007 San Antonio 7th
2008 Boston 12th
2009 Lakers 15th
2010 Lakers 10th
2011 Dallas 5th
2012 Miami 23th
2013 Miami 6th
2014 San Antonio 17th
It is quite surprising that NBA champions have not in general ranked that higher in 3-point attempts. After Houston won twice with Hakeem and 4 3-point shooters, only once NBA champion has ranked to top 5 in 3-point attempts.
I thought this was a good read and relevant to what's being discussed here: http://www.canishoopus.com/2015/4/9/8367705/andrew-wiggins-zach-lavine-improved-flip-saunders-three-pointers-3-point-shot
* denotes the Detroit Pistons.
^ denotes the Washington Wizards.
The rest are Minnesota Timberwolves.
Great research, Cam. Very troubling. Note that the Pistons were Flip's only team not near the bottom in 3-point attempts. But he didn't build that team. He inherited it after it was already an elite team. And note further that the Pistons' 3-point attempt ranking fell in each of the three seasons he coached there -- further indicating Flip's impact on a team he coaches.
I was thinking the same when I noticed how Pistons number of three point attempts was decreasing every year. But it seems that it was not just because of Flip since in the year after Flip left Pistons finished 28th. What is even stranger is that Pistons were 2004 26th and 2005 22nd in three point attempts. So it looks like they jumped dramatically from 22nd to 10th in 3-point attempts after Flip started to couch them. 2004 looks really strange, since Pistons won championship that year despite their really low amount of three pointers.
I did some research about how league champions have ranked in 3-point attempts in last 20 years:
1994 Houston 1st
1995 Houston 1st
1996 Chicago 15th
1997 Chicago 11th
1998 Chicago 14th
1999 San Antonio 25th
2000 Lakers 17th
2001 Lakers 9th
2002 Lakers 7th
2003 San Antonio 11th
2004 Detroit 26th
2005 San Antonio 13th
2006 Miami 12th
2007 San Antonio 7th
2008 Boston 12th
2009 Lakers 15th
2010 Lakers 10th
2011 Dallas 5th
2012 Miami 23th
2013 Miami 6th
2014 San Antonio 17th
It is quite surprising that NBA champions have not in general ranked that higher in 3-point attempts. After Houston won twice with Hakeem and 4 3-point shooters, only once NBA champion has ranked to top 5 in 3-point attempts.
None of them are dead last either. And all but a couple are in the upper half of the league.
I think we all realize Flip doesn't have the personnel to indiscriminately fire up 3's all night long. The issue all along with Flip isn't that he discourages 3-point attempts. It's that he doesn't discourage long two point attempts, and in fact, runs plays designed to get this very shot.
Carlos Danger wrote:I thought this was a good read and relevant to what's being discussed here: http://www.canishoopus.com/2015/4/9/8367705/andrew-wiggins-zach-lavine-improved-flip-saunders-three-pointers-3-point-shot
It's an article that offers an against-the-grain perspective on Flip, which is healthy. After all, Flip isn't 100% evil.
(But the author was ripped pretty mercilessly in the comments section and some posters brought up some legitimate points about whether these two players would have improved just as much or even more so under a different coach).
