AbeVigodaLive wrote:I can only assume coolbreeze likes to troll sometimes with his provoking, erroneous and antagonistic posts.
As noted previously, that's fine. I have no problem playing "that game" if necessary.
[Note: Speaking specifically to the repeated use of "using your brain" stuff and the underlying tone/meaning behind it. C'mon man. You're in your 50s, aren't you? Why play games online that people 1/3 your age use?]
That's the part that gets me. I always have a hard time reconciling Cool's age with his junior high chest-thumping. It's kinda weird.
You guys might want to look in the mirror!
Abe do you remember this post -
Be realistic. The hyperbole/homer optimism is too much in this case. It doesn't make sense.
Harden leads the league in free throw attempts. 9.2... with a sophisticated game and handle to draw those fouls at a ridiculous rate. Plus, a winning team that gets a few more freebies at the end of wins.
Wiggins is at 4.3 per game. Not bad for a rookie without much of a handle. You expect him to get 7 more attempts per game... and shoot 11+ attempts per game to lead the rest of the league by a wide margin? And he's not simply because of "bad calls?"
Remember, he's only shooting 69% from the line. So he'll need to get there at least 7 more times to make 5.
Of course Wiggins went on to do exactly that a couple of months later.
sjm34 wrote:No to Jim Pete, he doesn't know the game. His takes are wrong half the time. He doesn't understand basic defensive rotations. He is a complete ass in person as well. On the other hand, if it gets him out of the booth, maybe!
Firing a coach who's team is regressing isn't "classless", and reputations mean nothing if you aren't winning. If we find a good coach (brooks), then the POBO should have no problem with him. If he does, find another POBO. The odds of landing a good coach in the off season is near zero. There will be better offers available to him.
I don't think you realize there are multiple "good" coaches who won't even look at this job because of the midseason firing of an interim coach only there because the guy died. Even without that aspect of it, there are "good" coaches who wouldn't consider this job simply because it's midseason.
And if you want a good POBO, which is just as important as a good coach, you have to worry about him and the coach getting along and working together. You want them on the same page.
I find it amusing that there are people who rip others for knee-jerk reactions repeatedly who are now clamoring for a midseason move of this magnitude. Sometimes, you also have to think things through and make the smartest long-term decision over a more myopic, emotional one.
This is the conventional wisdom I'm talking about. Sometimes you have to throw it out and use your brain instead.
Mmmm, seems to me Abe is the one using his brain here. Why would we want to hire a coach without certainty about a POBO first? Unless a total locker room rebellion is underway, I think this is the sound approach. The question is whether Taylor even recognizes this. I certainly agree that the POBO issue should be resolved well before the season ends, but I'm not sure he feels the same way.
"There is a thin line between out-of-the-box thinking and just being dumb."
- Author unknown
I don't doubt that you think that, but luckily we don't have you in charge. What makes you think the POBO is more important, particularly on a team that supposedly has the main pieces in place already. I want a top flight coach, and I have a few in mind. I really don't have any top POBO's in mind. Could you name a few of these "great hires" that would be worth waiting for? Would you keep the SA POBO or the coach if you had to choose? Wouldn't it be nice to have the POBO job open in the case of a JVG only taking the coaching job if he got both.
Abe, it is easy to generalize reasons why some coaches may not come here, but we don't know if any of that is true. Could you post a link to some of those "good" coaches you are speaking of. I myself would prefer to takeover for the remaining throw away season, and then hit the ground running next season.
You don't have me in charge, but you do have Glen Taylor! Feel better now?
I honestly don't have a lot of ideas to offer in terms of POBO or coach names. I've never really had strong opinions on most coaches and POBOs (except for the real obvious good and bad ones).
What I do have an opinion on is the relative importance and power of each role within an organization. And in general, the POBO out-ranks the coach. So it makes perfect sense to me to find a POBO first and then for that person to identify the right coach so that there is proper alignment and expectations between the two.
Who should that POBO be? I don't know. I've thrown out Jim Petersen and Milt Newton as ideas, but I honestly don't have a very strong opinion one way or the other about either guy. I'd defer to others who know more about front office types.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I can only assume coolbreeze likes to troll sometimes with his provoking, erroneous and antagonistic posts.
As noted previously, that's fine. I have no problem playing "that game" if necessary.
[Note: Speaking specifically to the repeated use of "using your brain" stuff and the underlying tone/meaning behind it. C'mon man. You're in your 50s, aren't you? Why play games online that people 1/3 your age use?]
That's the part that gets me. I always have a hard time reconciling Cool's age with his junior high chest-thumping. It's kinda weird.
You guys might want to look in the mirror!
Abe do you remember this post -
Be realistic. The hyperbole/homer optimism is too much in this case. It doesn't make sense.
Harden leads the league in free throw attempts. 9.2... with a sophisticated game and handle to draw those fouls at a ridiculous rate. Plus, a winning team that gets a few more freebies at the end of wins.
Wiggins is at 4.3 per game. Not bad for a rookie without much of a handle. You expect him to get 7 more attempts per game... and shoot 11+ attempts per game to lead the rest of the league by a wide margin? And he's not simply because of "bad calls?"
Remember, he's only shooting 69% from the line. So he'll need to get there at least 7 more times to make 5.
Of course Wiggins went on to do exactly that a couple of months later.
Huh? I'm not following you. Even though Wiggins shot a lot of free throws at the end of the season while playing 41+ minutes, he never averaged 11+ free throws. Not even for a relatively small sample size.
The closest he got was 10.5 over the final 12 games of the season. He averaged 5.4 in February. 7.2 in March
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I can only assume coolbreeze likes to troll sometimes with his provoking, erroneous and antagonistic posts.
As noted previously, that's fine. I have no problem playing "that game" if necessary.
[Note: Speaking specifically to the repeated use of "using your brain" stuff and the underlying tone/meaning behind it. C'mon man. You're in your 50s, aren't you? Why play games online that people 1/3 your age use?]
That's the part that gets me. I always have a hard time reconciling Cool's age with his junior high chest-thumping. It's kinda weird.
You guys might want to look in the mirror!
Abe do you remember this post -
Be realistic. The hyperbole/homer optimism is too much in this case. It doesn't make sense.
Harden leads the league in free throw attempts. 9.2... with a sophisticated game and handle to draw those fouls at a ridiculous rate. Plus, a winning team that gets a few more freebies at the end of wins.
Wiggins is at 4.3 per game. Not bad for a rookie without much of a handle. You expect him to get 7 more attempts per game... and shoot 11+ attempts per game to lead the rest of the league by a wide margin? And he's not simply because of "bad calls?"
Remember, he's only shooting 69% from the line. So he'll need to get there at least 7 more times to make 5.
Of course Wiggins went on to do exactly that a couple of months later.
You don't have me in charge, but you do have Glen Taylor! Feel better now?
I honestly don't have a lot of ideas to offer in terms of POBO or coach names. I've never really had strong opinions on most coaches and POBOs (except for the real obvious good and bad ones).
What I do have an opinion on is the relative importance and power of each role within an organization. And in general, the POBO out-ranks the coach. So it makes perfect sense to me to find a POBO first and then for that person to identify the right coach so that there is proper alignment and expectations between the two.
Who should that POBO be? I don't know. I've thrown out Jim Petersen and Milt Newton as ideas, but I honestly don't have a very strong opinion one way or the other about either guy. I'd defer to others who know more about front office types.
And glen is still going to be in charge. Do you think Kahn had more power than Adelman?
I am certainly not going to give up an opportunity to land a high profile coach for the likes of JP or Milt.
Neither article states that. They both reference how JVG didn't like how they were handling the firings.
Do you have any links that state that JVG wouldn't take a mid season job?
In another article, there was this nugget: "One coach who once worked with Van Gundy said the former Knicks/Rockets coach has never desired taking over for a club in midseason, feeling it's a tough go."
But you got me. Until we have Van Gundy here to tell us directly or hear from him directly in another way, we don't know for certain.
All that stuff I wrote about the coaching fraternity (that Saunders was applauded for being part of) is irrelevant. Throwing an interim guy in a really tough spot under the bus to take over a flailing team midseason after the untimely death of the previous guy while ownership is selling part of the team and not having a long-term POBO might actually be perks for the job.
We can wait and see. Apparently, I'm often wrong in my pragmatic, objective, common sense takes on the Wolves.
Be realistic. The hyperbole/homer optimism is too much in this case. It doesn't make sense.
Harden leads the league in free throw attempts. 9.2... with a sophisticated game and handle to draw those fouls at a ridiculous rate. Plus, a winning team that gets a few more freebies at the end of wins.
Wiggins is at 4.3 per game. Not bad for a rookie without much of a handle. You expect him to get 7 more attempts per game... and shoot 11+ attempts per game to lead the rest of the league by a wide margin? And he's not simply because of "bad calls?"
Remember, he's only shooting 69% from the line. So he'll need to get there at least 7 more times to make 5.
Of course Wiggins went on to do exactly that a couple of months later.
YOu based the 11+ FT's on his being able to score 5 more points. He was scoring over 20 at that point which was more than the 5.
Q, Abe and you missed the point, but I highlighted it for you.
You two can go back and read the entire exchange, and you'll realize I am not missing the point, and the 11+ was your doing Abe, not mine. I said he could be scoring 4-5 more points.
Neither article states that. They both reference how JVG didn't like how they were handling the firings.
Do you have any links that state that JVG wouldn't take a mid season job?
In another article, there was this nugget: "One coach who once worked with Van Gundy said the former Knicks/Rockets coach has never desired taking over for a club in midseason, feeling it's a tough go."
But you got me. Until we have Van Gundy here to tell us directly or hear from him directly in another way, we don't know for certain.
All that stuff I wrote about the coaching fraternity (that Saunders was applauded for being part of) is irrelevant. Throwing an interim guy in a really tough spot under the bus to take over a flailing team midseason after the untimely death of the previous guy while ownership is selling part of the team and not having a long-term POBO might actually be perks for the job.
We can wait and see. Apparently, I'm often wrong in my pragmatic, objective, common sense takes on the Wolves.
So that is like, I once heard my brother's friend's uncle say.....
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I can only assume coolbreeze likes to troll sometimes with his provoking, erroneous and antagonistic posts.
As noted previously, that's fine. I have no problem playing "that game" if necessary.
[Note: Speaking specifically to the repeated use of "using your brain" stuff and the underlying tone/meaning behind it. C'mon man. You're in your 50s, aren't you? Why play games online that people 1/3 your age use?]
That's the part that gets me. I always have a hard time reconciling Cool's age with his junior high chest-thumping. It's kinda weird.
You guys might want to look in the mirror!
Abe do you remember this post -
Be realistic. The hyperbole/homer optimism is too much in this case. It doesn't make sense.
Harden leads the league in free throw attempts. 9.2... with a sophisticated game and handle to draw those fouls at a ridiculous rate. Plus, a winning team that gets a few more freebies at the end of wins.
Wiggins is at 4.3 per game. Not bad for a rookie without much of a handle. You expect him to get 7 more attempts per game... and shoot 11+ attempts per game to lead the rest of the league by a wide margin? And he's not simply because of "bad calls?"
Remember, he's only shooting 69% from the line. So he'll need to get there at least 7 more times to make 5.
Of course Wiggins went on to do exactly that a couple of months later.
YOu based the 11+ FT's on his being able to score 5 more points. He was scoring over 20 at that point which was more than the 5.
Q, Abe and you missed the point, but I highlighted it for you.
Huh? I'm not following you. Even though Wiggins shot a lot of free throws at the end of the season while playing 41+ minutes, he never averaged 11+ free throws. Not even for a relatively small sample size.
The closest he got was 10.5 over the final 12 games of the season. He averaged 5.4 in February. 7.2 in March
You two can go back and read the entire exchange, and you'll realize I am not missing the point, and the 11+ was your doing Abe, not mine. I said he could be scoring 4-5 more points.
Sadly, we're taking this thing way off the reservation in yet another ugly attempt to "GOTCHA" another poster. In this case... I'm not sure if it's necessarily worth it.
1) It seems that you were claiming he deserved those calls at that time and the only reason he wasn't getting the (up to 7) extra free throws was because of poor officiating. I have no problem sticking with my "homer optimism" comment in that case.
2) Did his TS% go up by 10%? Don't know. Too lazy to look it up. But his scoring did jump. It went from 14.6 to 19.8 to 16.8 to 17.9 to 23.3 (8 April games). Was it all free throws? Some of it. As noted, he got more attempts each month. He also scored up to 2 more field goals to help those ppg totals.
3) And again... I was ripping your first post for your reasoning (bad officiating costing him up to 7 attempts per game). That's a very different argument than the one you're making. Are you giving Wiggins no credit for simply getting better during the season?
