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I feel like every time I have watched Oubre (seen parts of 4 games) he doesn't do anything remotely exciting or does at least something pretty dumb a couple times. I get he is young but someone sell me on him or am I just being to hard on the guy? Not even remotely saying I am an expert on him just throwing out what I observed.
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monsterpile wrote:I feel like every time I have watched Oubre (seen parts of 4 games) he doesn't do anything remotely exciting or does at least something pretty dumb a couple times. I get he is young but someone sell me on him or am I just being to hard on the guy? Not even remotely saying I am an expert on him just throwing out what I observed.


Oh, he's raw. There's no doubt about it. Oubre's one of these "blessed with physical tools" guys that you take in the lottery and hope they blossom down the road. Think LaVine from last year, if you will.

He shows signs of being a special defender. That's what catches my eye with him. He's engaged and wiry. Uses his 7'0 wingspan to his advantage. Gets tipped balls, blocked shots. Very active on the glass for a wing. Not afraid to get on the floor and do some dirty work either.

Offensively, he's limited right now. Catch-and-shoot potential is there. Straight line drives. Loves to attack in transition. Extremely left-handed, rarely uses his right hand.
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Wow, impressive and thorough Cam.

Hezonja plays in a far more difficult league than NCAA Division I and is earning minutes on a top tier team, yet he's only 20. When we start getting into that #5-#7 range - which is possible knowing our luck - his name should be in the conversation. He could be a legit two-way wing and his outside shot seems much more reliable than the other wings not named D'Angelo Russell. Lord knows we need shooting.
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Q12543 wrote:Wow, impressive and thorough Cam.

Hezonja plays in a far more difficult league than NCAA Division I and is earning minutes on a top tier team, yet he's only 20. When we start getting into that #5-#7 range - which is possible knowing our luck - his name should be in the conversation. He could be a legit two-way wing and his outside shot seems much more reliable than the other wings not named D'Angelo Russell. Lord knows we need shooting.


Talent alone, you're absolutely right. He reminds me of Ginobili in a lot of ways that go further than just being a Euro with a handle. He can work in P&R, create for himself and is a legit spot-up threat. My problem with him is purely attitude. He was asked where he thinks he should be drafted, and he said No. 1. Now, I don't have a problem with the confidence. It's that later in the same interview the reporter asked him about the Dunk Contest and Hezonja continued to pound his chest and said that LaVine's dunks weren't special and that he performed the same dunks just the other day. These two comments aren't all that dangerous, but they do coincide with other reports that said he's a pain in the ass in the locker room mainly because of his ego.

On top of that, he has 'inconsistent effort' issues on the defensive end. I don't remember who made the video/article, but it was specifically to point out the lapses he has on defense where he's just not engaged at all and frankly doesn't seem to give a shit. He'd be too far off his man, but not in position to play help either. Basically just in no man's land without his head on a swivel.

The talent and skill is there. I was a fan of his months ago even, but I hate to see guys that have poor mentalities and "me me me" egos. Because of this, I dropped him in my rankings.
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Camden0916 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I feel like every time I have watched Oubre (seen parts of 4 games) he doesn't do anything remotely exciting or does at least something pretty dumb a couple times. I get he is young but someone sell me on him or am I just being to hard on the guy? Not even remotely saying I am an expert on him just throwing out what I observed.


Oh, he's raw. There's no doubt about it. Oubre's one of these "blessed with physical tools" guys that you take in the lottery and hope they blossom down the road. Think LaVine from last year, if you will.

He shows signs of being a special defender. That's what catches my eye with him. He's engaged and wiry. Uses his 7'0 wingspan to his advantage. Gets tipped balls, blocked shots. Very active on the glass for a wing. Not afraid to get on the floor and do some dirty work either.

Offensively, he's limited right now. Catch-and-shoot potential is there. Straight line drives. Loves to attack in transition. Extremely left-handed, rarely uses his right hand.


Thanks Cam that was just the breakdown I was looking for. It does seem most mocks have him right there in the middle of the first round.
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Well, if anyone knows the real scoop on Hezonja's attitude and whether it has a negative impact on team dynamics, it would be Ricky. He's probably buddies with half of the Barcelona team members, some of who were there when Ricky was playing for them. My guess is that Flip and company already have a good handle on this issue.
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Camden wrote:PG:
1. D'Angelo Russell*
2. Emmanuel Mudiay*
3. Jerian Grant*
4. Delon Wright
5. Tyus Jones

SG:
1. Devin Booker*
2. Caris LeVert
3. Rashad Vaughn
4. R.J. Hunter
5. Joseph Young

SF:
1. Stanley Johnson*
2. Justise Winslow*
3. Kelly Oubre*
4. Mario Hezonja*
5. Sam Dekker

PF:
1. Frank Kaminsky*
2. Bobby Portis*
3. Trey Lyles*
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Montrezl Harrell

C:
1. Karl-Anthony Towns*
2. Jahlil Okafor*
3. Willie Cauley-Stein*
4. Jakob Poeltl
5. Myles Turner

* denotes lottery pick.

Top-20 Big Board:
1. Karl-Anthony Towns, PF/C
2. Jahlil Okafor, C
3. D'Angelo Russell, PG/SG
4. Emmanuel Mudiay, PG/SG
5. Willie Cauley-Stein, PF/C
6. Stanley Johnson, SF
7. Justise Winslow, SF
8. Frank Kaminsky, PF
9. Jerian Grant, PG
10. Devin Booker, SG
11. Bobby Portis, PF
12. Kelly Oubre, SF
13. Trey Lyles, PF
14. Mario Hezonja, SF

15. Delon Wright, PG
16. Jakob Poeltl, C
17. Kristaps Porzingis, PF
18. Caris LeVert, SG
19. Sam Dekker, SF
20. Tyus Jones, PG



Just looking at this big board further solidifies my, and many others', point that Wiggins should be playing SG for the future. (Assuming LaVine doesn't pan out there by year 3.) The SG position is rather void of elite talent in the NBA, and look at the prospects in the position coming out. I personally wouldn't draft any of those SG prospects in the top 20.
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Q12543 wrote:Well, if anyone knows the real scoop on Hezonja's attitude and whether it has a negative impact on team dynamics, it would be Ricky. He's probably buddies with half of the Barcelona team members, some of who were there when Ricky was playing for them. My guess is that Flip and company already have a good handle on this issue.


You make a really good point here, Q. I'd ask Ricky how he feels of Hezonja, and if there is a way to justify/explain his apparent "attitude problems". Depending on what Rubio says, you either place a target value on Hezonja, or you cross him off the list.
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Camden0916 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I feel like every time I have watched Oubre (seen parts of 4 games) he doesn't do anything remotely exciting or does at least something pretty dumb a couple times. I get he is young but someone sell me on him or am I just being to hard on the guy? Not even remotely saying I am an expert on him just throwing out what I observed.


Oh, he's raw. There's no doubt about it. Oubre's one of these "blessed with physical tools" guys that you take in the lottery and hope they blossom down the road. Think LaVine from last year, if you will.

He shows signs of being a special defender. That's what catches my eye with him. He's engaged and wiry. Uses his 7'0 wingspan to his advantage. Gets tipped balls, blocked shots. Very active on the glass for a wing. Not afraid to get on the floor and do some dirty work either.

Offensively, he's limited right now. Catch-and-shoot potential is there. Straight line drives. Loves to attack in transition. Extremely left-handed, rarely uses his right hand.

I am a Jayhawk fan and I agree with almost everything you have said I think he should go back to school and be the man, he didn't start until a 1/4th way in the big 12 season because of to many defensive mental mistakes. He really dosen't put the ball on the floor much either. I think he should go back but seeing what happened to Selden draft stock with him coming back I think he is good as gone
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TheFuture wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Well, if anyone knows the real scoop on Hezonja's attitude and whether it has a negative impact on team dynamics, it would be Ricky. He's probably buddies with half of the Barcelona team members, some of who were there when Ricky was playing for them. My guess is that Flip and company already have a good handle on this issue.


You make a really good point here, Q. I'd ask Ricky how he feels of Hezonja, and if there is a way to justify/explain his apparent "attitude problems". Depending on what Rubio says, you either place a target value on Hezonja, or you cross him off the list.


Just watched some video of Hezonja. Not your typical Euro. Plays an athletic, above the rim type game uncommon of those players. Seems extremely skilled. But again, a guy that really isn't playing a lot of meaningful minutes. Could be age, maturity, etc....not sure. I usually hate Euro guys, but he seems intriguing.
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