mrhockey89 wrote:I love the fact that we have Wiggins, but one could easily argue that Jabari Parker could become a better player. I'd easily trade either of them for Unibrow because he's such a known superstar on the rise quantity. Wiggins could become similar, but he's got a long ways to go to get on that level (as any 19-20 year old would)
In bold. That's it, really. Davis is a sure thing. We know this. We don't know for sure if Wiggins is going to make the same improvements Davis did. I'm sure fans in Milwaukee are equally as optimistic about a couple of their young guys, including Parker and Giannis.
That's part of the fun... hoping your guy becomes the next THE guy in the league. History tells us, however, there's not much margin for error.
Davis is a sure thing if he stays healthy and he has missed a chunk of games so in a way he isn't a sure thing either. I hope he stays healthy just sayin.
Davis is already a top 5 guy in the league. He's "made it."
Just like LeBron James or Kevin Durant or anybody else, he could get injured and everything is off the table. But right now... he's a legit superstar.
Wiggins, healthy or not, has not reached that level. And he might never reach that level, healthy or not.
I absolutely agree he is there (I was one of the people saying it was going to happen last summer) just that his injury history at a young age makes him a little more of a risk of being a sure thing X amount of time from now. I really hope Durant can come back with no ill effects from that foot issue.
mrhockey89 wrote:I love the fact that we have Wiggins, but one could easily argue that Jabari Parker could become a better player. I'd easily trade either of them for Unibrow because he's such a known superstar on the rise quantity. Wiggins could become similar, but he's got a long ways to go to get on that level (as any 19-20 year old would)
In bold. That's it, really. Davis is a sure thing. We know this. We don't know for sure if Wiggins is going to make the same improvements Davis did. I'm sure fans in Milwaukee are equally as optimistic about a couple of their young guys, including Parker and Giannis.
That's part of the fun... hoping your guy becomes the next THE guy in the league. History tells us, however, there's not much margin for error.
Davis is a sure thing if he stays healthy and he has missed a chunk of games so in a way he isn't a sure thing either. I hope he stays healthy just sayin.
Davis is already a top 5 guy in the league. He's "made it."
Just like LeBron James or Kevin Durant or anybody else, he could get injured and everything is off the table. But right now... he's a legit superstar.
Wiggins, healthy or not, has not reached that level. And he might never reach that level, healthy or not.
I absolutely agree he is there (I was one of the people saying it was going to happen last summer) just that his injury history at a young age makes him a little more of a risk of being a sure thing X amount of time from now. I really hope Durant can come back with no ill effects from that foot issue.
There's some pretty amazing high-end talent around the league right now.
James.
Durant.
Davis.
Curry (creating quite the stir with the "best shooter ever" talk)
Then you have guys like Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, James Harden, etc. Even a couple of old top 10 guys like Duncan and Bryant.
- Working on his body; focusing on injury prevention (flexibility).
- Maturing his body. Can get bigger/stronger with his lower and upper body.
- Working on everything. Low-post, ball-handling, perimeter shooting.
- Confident shooter. That's half the battle. No surprise here.
- Asked about what he remembered most about going against Okafor in the Nike Hoops Summit, said he remembered losing the game the most.
- Said he thinks he needs to both interview AND workout for teams. Said they're both important. Interesting to hear that given what's been reported.
- Emphasized again that he just wants to be an NBA player; doesn't care where he plays.
- Working on his body; focusing on injury prevention (flexibility).
- Maturing his body. Can get bigger/stronger with his lower and upper body.
- Working on everything. Low-post, ball-handling, perimeter shooting.
- Confident shooter. That's half the battle. No surprise here.
- Asked about what he remembered most about going against Okafor in the Nike Hoops Summit, said he remembered losing the game the most.
- Said he thinks he needs to both interview AND workout for teams. Said they're both important. Interesting to hear that given what's been reported.
- Emphasized again that he just wants to be an NBA player; doesn't care where he plays.
mrhockey89 wrote:I love the fact that we have Wiggins, but one could easily argue that Jabari Parker could become a better player. I'd easily trade either of them for Unibrow because he's such a known superstar on the rise quantity. Wiggins could become similar, but he's got a long ways to go to get on that level (as any 19-20 year old would)
In bold. That's it, really. Davis is a sure thing. We know this. We don't know for sure if Wiggins is going to make the same improvements Davis did. I'm sure fans in Milwaukee are equally as optimistic about a couple of their young guys, including Parker and Giannis.
That's part of the fun... hoping your guy becomes the next THE guy in the league. History tells us, however, there's not much margin for error.
Davis is a sure thing if he stays healthy and he has missed a chunk of games so in a way he isn't a sure thing either. I hope he stays healthy just sayin.
Davis is already a top 5 guy in the league. He's "made it."
Just like LeBron James or Kevin Durant or anybody else, he could get injured and everything is off the table. But right now... he's a legit superstar.
Wiggins, healthy or not, has not reached that level. And he might never reach that level, healthy or not.
mrhockey89 wrote:I love the fact that we have Wiggins, but one could easily argue that Jabari Parker could become a better player. I'd easily trade either of them for Unibrow because he's such a known superstar on the rise quantity. Wiggins could become similar, but he's got a long ways to go to get on that level (as any 19-20 year old would)
In bold. That's it, really. Davis is a sure thing. We know this. We don't know for sure if Wiggins is going to make the same improvements Davis did. I'm sure fans in Milwaukee are equally as optimistic about a couple of their young guys, including Parker and Giannis.
That's part of the fun... hoping your guy becomes the next THE guy in the league. History tells us, however, there's not much margin for error.
Davis is a sure thing if he stays healthy and he has missed a chunk of games so in a way he isn't a sure thing either. I hope he stays healthy just sayin.
Davis is already a top 5 guy in the league. He's "made it."
Just like LeBron James or Kevin Durant or anybody else, he could get injured and everything is off the table. But right now... he's a legit superstar.
Wiggins, healthy or not, has not reached that level. And he might never reach that level, healthy or not.
So what?
Wiggins isn't at Davis' level. That's what the debate was about.
Doesn't mean he's still not the foundation for this team. And it doesn't mean he won't be a superstar. It only means we should hesitate to group Wiggins and Davis on the same tier until Wiggins proves he's worthy.
I think Wiggins is in Davis' class of elite prospect with unlimited potential. The difference between the two is Davis is realizing it while Wiggins has just begun.
TRKO wrote:I think Wiggins is in Davis' class of elite prospect with unlimited potential. The difference between the two is Davis is realizing it while Wiggins has just begun.
Yeah. I think if we're comparing them only as rookie prospects... they're more comparable. I tried to make that distinction earlier.
The thing is that Davis has made HUGE strides each of his 3 years in the league. I just don't know if it's realistic to expect the same leaps from Wiggins. I hope it happens. But, it's not exactly common.
TRKO wrote:I think Wiggins is in Davis' class of elite prospect with unlimited potential. The difference between the two is Davis is realizing it while Wiggins has just begun.
Yeah. I think if we're comparing them only as rookie prospects... they're more comparable. I tried to make that distinction earlier.
The thing is that Davis has made HUGE strides each of his 3 years in the league. I just don't know if it's realistic to expect the same leaps from Wiggins. I hope it happens. But, it's not exactly common.
That's why they're both elite prospects. They don't do common things. Wiggins was the most hyped prospect since Lebron. I don't think we do the "most likely somewhere in the middle" projections with a prospect of his caliber. He's been more than a common player his whole life so why would it be unrealistic that he gets better at the same pace as Davis? That's what stars do. There's not really a slow development path to stardom outside of bigs. Guards and wings usually show it and they show it early. I still think it will take until the 3rd year, but he's not a normal prospect so we shouldn't treat him to the standards of a normal guy.
TRKO wrote:I think Wiggins is in Davis' class of elite prospect with unlimited potential. The difference between the two is Davis is realizing it while Wiggins has just begun.
Yeah. I think if we're comparing them only as rookie prospects... they're more comparable. I tried to make that distinction earlier.
The thing is that Davis has made HUGE strides each of his 3 years in the league. I just don't know if it's realistic to expect the same leaps from Wiggins. I hope it happens. But, it's not exactly common.
That's why they're both elite prospects. They don't do common things. Wiggins was the most hyped prospect since Lebron. I don't think we do the "most likely somewhere in the middle" projections with a prospect of his caliber. He's been more than a common player his whole life so why would it be unrealistic that he gets better at the same pace as Davis? That's what stars do. There's not really a slow development path to stardom outside of bigs. Guards and wings usually show it and they show it early. I still think it will take until the 3rd year, but he's not a normal prospect so we shouldn't treat him to the standards of a normal guy.
I get that. But I gotta ask...
So if Wiggins doesn't become a Top 5 player, is he a disappointment?
