Best Potential Love Trades

[Lipoli390]

I'm not advocating that we trade him for complete crap. I'm saying you trade him for the best pick-oriented offer if you can't get several really good young vets like Parsons and jones from Houston, which was the deal I wanted. Based on what's been reported, it looks like we can get a couple first round picks plus Olynyk and Smart for Love. That's not optimal, but it's not shit and I'd take that deal if offered.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Khans and cam- I'm probably the biggest outlier here in terms of what I would accept for Love, because I really think it's important that we proceed without him. But I don't advocate giving him up for shit. We may just be arguing about what constitutes "shit" and, similarly, what Love's perceived value is outside of Minnesota. I suggested that Ainge seems to be the guy who wants Love the most, and I didn't think he was likely to offer more than two players (say, Olynyk and Thornton) and 2 first rounders. I don't think that would be a terrible deal, and would allow us to move forward without the distraction of a discontented star.

I think Olynyk, Thornton and 2 firsts for Love would be an utter disaster. The picks we are talking about getting are not going to be good picks. Why? Because they are picks coming from Eastern Conference teams looking to make the playoffs which means they are most likely not even going to be in the lottery, let alone potential top 10 picks that are my level of acceptability of accepting picks for Love. If you end up with Smart, Olynyk and two non-lottery picks, I think you just got fleeced and are going to be a bottom dweller on top of getting next to nothing from the Love deal. I don't see the fit of Smart next to Ricky because neither of them can shoot which you just can't have two guards who can't shoot the ball. I would honestly look to trade Ricky at that point because a Smart/Lavine backcourt makes sense from a play style perspective and they'd both be on rookie deals where Ricky is about to get paid. I think Olynyk is a bench big on a good team. I think two non-lottery picks is garbage considering the odds of them becoming just a rotation player to begin with. So some people might not view that deal as shit, but I do. I think if you take the Boston deal, you have to deal Ricky as well because that team is going to be garbage, so you should just start from scratch with Smart and Levine as your building blocks in the backcourt with them on Rookie deals. Say hello to another 3 years minimum of being terrible because that is what that deal results in.

[Lipoli390]

Kahn's -- Olynyk and Smart are assets. Olynyk had nice stats last season as a rookie and has a nice combination of size and skills. Smart was a consensus top 6 pick in this year's draft and will be good defensively right away. If either one or both don't fit well here, they would make nice trade assets. If that's the best offer Flip gets, it's a lot better than just watching Love walk.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

The argument isn't whether Olynyk or Smart are valuable assets, because they are to an extent, in my opinion. It's that the package being discussed is no where near close to being an acceptable return for a 25-year old All-NBA talent.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

And the 2 picks I am talking about belong to the Nets, who I think will be in the lottery the next two years.

[Lipoli390]

The argument isn't whether Olynyk or Smart are valuable assets, because they are to an extent, in my opinion. It's that the package being discussed is no where near close to being an acceptable return for a 25-year old All-NBA talent.

It's an acceptable return if the market doesn't produce any better offers and the only alternative is Love walking next summer. It's like declaring generically that a player isn't a max player. If a team offers the max to a player, he's a max player. Likewise, a player's trade value is determined by what teams are offering, not by some subjective assessment of the player's talent. Love's trade value will ultimately be set by the best offer Flip gets. I think Flip is right to hold out and attempt to squeeze out the best possible offer. But in my view, Flip will eventually have to do a deal rather than keep an unhappy player intent on leaving as a FA next summer.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

And the 2 picks I am talking about belong to the Nets, who I think will be in the lottery the next two years.

How are they a lottery team in the East? They've finished 4th and 6th (with Lopez missing a lot of time in the second year) in the East the last two years. Cleveland is the only team that didn't make the playoffs that has gotten better this offseason so that still makes them a 7 seed in the East at worst. They brought in Hollins to coach who is good enough to get them to the playoffs. They still have D Will, Johnson and Lopez which is a better big 3 than a majority of the East.

[Lipoli390]

The Wolves could have gotten the Celtics #6 pick this year plus fire first round picks plus a combo of players including Olynyk from Boston before the draft. The Wolves could have then traded down from # 6 and drafted Stauskus, McDermott or Harris while getting some other assets and picking LaVine at #13. In my view, that's what Flip should have done. But as I've suggested, I don't think Flip has been very serious about dealing Love because he really wants to keep him.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

So having an idea of what your own player's trade value is to you is meaningless then. That's what you're saying, Lip. Taking the best shit offer doesn't mean that's what a player's value is. It's what you sold him for. I'd rather try to win with Love and if he leaves then so be it. Giving him away for an unacceptable deal, like that one is, shows how incompetent of a franchise we are.

[KiwiMatt]

Does Gasol to the Bulls put them out of play for Love? Also Mirotic said he would only come over if he was promised he wouldnt be traded.

I think this works in our favour as a Love-less CLE team won't beat a healthy Bulls team.

Houston must also be out with losing Parsons, Asik and Lin.

It's down to CLE and GSW and they won't get Love if Wiggins or Thomson aren't included.