Fu*k Kevin Love

[Ricky Bricky [enjin:8559166]]

At least when KG left he deserved to play for a contender. I was a fan after he left because he is earned the respect of Wolves fans. He poured his heart and soul into playing for the Wolves and was very near to the end of his prime. He was patient. He carried the team to the playoffs year after year. He survived the disfunction of the franchise and still made the Wolves a respectable and cohesive team. He was a leader.

Love is a whiney, self absorbed little bit*h. The interview today is enough to make me want to puke. What a entitled, pretentious, self centered, coward. It's all about him. He wants to be on the "big stage" so he can wilt even more frequently than he has throughout his career? A real winner and leader lifts and carries his team. Love has never done that. He needs to take a look in the mirror and realize many of his short coming are a major factor in why his teams have never contended. He is not the type of player that can take over a game or create his own shot. He is nothing more than Chris Bosh was with Toronto. Hopefully if he wants to win he can fit his big ass head and ego into a locker room where he is option number three because that will be his role on any successful team.

Its time for him to go. But only after he finishes out his contract. The Wolves can then go into rebuilding mode. Why take an offer like the one that is rumored from the Bulls? You end of with a bunch of cap-eating, middle of the road garbage. Been there, done that. The KG trade did nothing to benefit the future of the franchise and none of the "superstar" trades in the recent past have been in any way favorable. The only appealing trade is one that would bring back the 1st pick from Cleveland so the rebuild could begin sooner. Why accept anything less than a top three pick? So they can get stuck with a player that in all statistical likelihood will be a contributing starter at best.

If its not the first pick then let Love play it out and "suffer" for another year, bottom out and restart with a real chance at building a winner through the draft. Some may say why delay the inevitable? I say if he doesn't want to contribute to the team he's contractually obligated then let him watch for another post season. Realistically the Wolves won't be playing in the playoffs, with or without him.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I don't want Love's poor attitude rubbing off on Rubio, Dieng, Muhammad and whoever we get at 13. Instead, I'd rather trade him and let the new core mesh. This whole idea of letting him play the one year out in Minnesota to spite him is stupid. What does that do for anybody? We let him leave for nothing, we look dumb for it, Love signs with whatever team he wants. You're actually giving him all the power if you do that.

[Ricky Bricky [enjin:8559166]]

You are right in that he is basically a locker room cancer but do you expect to find a franchise player at below the 5th pick? They can mesh all they want but that doesn't mean the will have a transcendent player that is needed to lift the team to the next level. There hasn't been one of those here since KG. Its gonna take some top five picks to make that happen.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Smart, Exum, Randle. I feel pretty confident in these prospects being All-Star players with franchise player potential. It won't happen overnight, but yeah I expect them to be good players in the league for a long time. If Boston/Cleveland becomes a trade partner, then I'm good with that.

[Ricky Bricky [enjin:8559166]]

The only sure fire prospects I see are Wiggins and Parker. Could the others be very good players? Sure. I wouldn't bet the farm on any of them though.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

You take any top 10 picks in this draft that you can get for Love. You're still going to need rotation players around the star you eventually hope to draft so it makes no sense to not pick up 1 in this draft especially because a rookie is not keeping us out of the high lottery next year anyway. Why prolong the rebuild even longer? If you keep Love, that gives you no young assets and you end up with a late lottery pick again next year. If you deal him now for picks and cap filler, we can get into the high lottery next year and already start rebuilding through the draft. The keeping Love and let him leave for nothing argument makes zero sense because you prolong rebuilding another full year because we aren't a high lottery team with Love and you don't get your pick based on how bad you are going to be. If you want to rebuild the team through the draft, the best option is to deal him now so you can start drafting high next year and not in two years.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

At least when KG left he deserved to play for a contender. I was a fan after he left because he is earned the respect of Wolves fans. He poured his heart and soul into playing for the Wolves and was very near to the end of his prime. He was patient. He carried the team to the playoffs year after year. He survived the disfunction of the franchise and still made the Wolves a respectable and cohesive team. He was a leader.

KG deserved to play for a contender here. Wolves wasted KG's career playing here. There is no difference in talent bewteen KG and Duncan. The only difference is Duncan got the best FO in the league and KG got the worst. People talk abuot how Duncan might be the best PF of all time, but nobody says that about KG. That's all on the Wolves . He got traded because somehow the Wolves took a team that went to the WCF and in 2 years turned it into Mike James, Ricky Davis, and Mark Blount. They lost draft picks signing Joe Smith under the table for whatever reason, and the draft picks they did use were on people like Ndi Ebi.

KG said it himself. If he could of done things over again, he would of left sooner. Loyalty fucked him over. You said he poured his heart and soul into the Wolves. Not according to your boy Glen. He says Kg dogged it in his last year here. That same guy is still running the team. Did he learn his lesson from the KG situation? Nope. Will he learn from this Love situation? Doubtful.

Ill wait for the year 2025 when our next superstar wants out and Mchale is back running the show from the good old days when we were in the 1st round every year. That is unless they're the Seattle Timberwolves by then

[horatio81 [enjin:7751176]]

Why do so few "fans" know the real history behind this team's mediocrity?

How did we go from the WCF in 2004 to missing the playoffs in 2005? Simple: Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell are insane. Even though both players were on the severe downside of their careers, they were demanding lucrative extensions... while still under contract. When the Wolves did not capitulate, Sam and Latrell absolutely tanked the season. The front office wisely decided not to bring them back and transition to a younger supporting cast for KG. It didn't work out. Bad luck, bad talent evaluation, etc. But don't imagine for even a moment that we should have paid through the nose to "keep the band together".

Why in the world did we try to sign Joe Smith under the table and subsequently lose four of our next five draft picks? Gee, might have had something to do with the fact that the NBA negotiated a significantly reduced max salary for players without grandfathering in previously signed contracts, effectively screwing our franchise for the length of KG's first big deal. You think the league would have hung LA or NY out to dry like that? Hell no. KG's contract should have counted for no more than the new max against the cap, which would have left us enough money to build an actual team around him.

If you want to blame the Wolves for anything, blame our horrendous draft record. Even then, we've NEVER landed the top overall pick despite constantly landing in the lottery. In fact, we've never even improved from our initial draft position based on the ping pong balls. Oh, and our best picks have always been precisely one spot out of "guaranteed stud" range, whether you're talking about the third pick in the Shaq/Zo draft or the second pick in the Kyrie draft. It's been nothing but bad luck AND bad decisions.

That's why the correct play, at this point, is to BOTTOM THE HELL OUT for 4-5 straight years. Go for the number 1-3 pick in all of those drafts. Hope you knock 2-3 out of the park. That's the ONLY way you can compete in this league from where we're starting.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Why do so few "fans" know the real history behind this team's mediocrity?

How did we go from the WCF in 2004 to missing the playoffs in 2005? Simple: Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell are insane. Even though both players were on the severe downside of their careers, they were demanding lucrative extensions... while still under contract. When the Wolves did not capitulate, Sam and Latrell absolutely tanked the season. The front office wisely decided not to bring them back and transition to a younger supporting cast for KG. It didn't work out. Bad luck, bad talent evaluation, etc. But don't imagine for even a moment that we should have paid through the nose to "keep the band together".

Why in the world did we try to sign Joe Smith under the table and subsequently lose four of our next five draft picks? Gee, might have had something to do with the fact that the NBA negotiated a significantly reduced max salary for players without grandfathering in previously signed contracts, effectively screwing our franchise for the length of KG's first big deal. You think the league would have hung LA or NY out to dry like that? Hell no. KG's contract should have counted for no more than the new max against the cap, which would have left us enough money to build an actual team around him.

If you want to blame the Wolves for anything, blame our horrendous draft record. Even then, we've NEVER landed the top overall pick despite constantly landing in the lottery. In fact, we've never even improved from our initial draft position based on the ping pong balls. Oh, and our best picks have always been precisely one spot out of "guaranteed stud" range, whether you're talking about the third pick in the Shaq/Zo draft or the second pick in the Kyrie draft. It's been nothing but bad luck AND bad decisions.

That's why the correct play, at this point, is to BOTTOM THE HELL OUT for 4-5 straight years. Go for the number 1-3 pick in all of those drafts. Hope you knock 2-3 out of the park. That's the ONLY way you can compete in this league from where we're starting.

If you bottom out for another 4-5 years, there's zero chance the franchise survives that long. No fan base will stick around waiting for that plan. I sure as hell wouldn't

On the bright side, I could probably buy the franchise for about 40 bucks at that point

[SameOldNudityDrew]

Bottoming out is not the right strategy. We might as well rename ourselves the Minnesota Losers if we did that. We'd never get a free agent to come here again, we'd never attract decent coaching prospects, we'd compound a losing culture that has already been built up by a decade of losing, and we'd make every player we draft long for the day when they'd get out of town.

Plus, there's little evidence that bottoming out as a strategy actually works. Most teams that try to stay pretty good year in and year out stand a better chance of making the playoffs, winning in the playoffs, and contending for and winning championships.

Yes, we've got a horrendous draft record, which is precisely why bottoming out is a dumb strategy. Why would we try to rebuild in the precise way that we've essentially been failing to rebuild for the last 10 years? And the truth is, the draft is all about luck, and those picks are generally overvalued. Yes, some players become studs, but many more become duds. That's just how it is.

Bottoming out would do much more to hurt this team than trying to be good year in and year out, and it's a very long shot that we'd hit the jackpot and get a star--and if we did, what star would want to play for such a historically crappy team? Other players and ESPN would be all over them from the day they get drafted telling them they deserve better.

Here's my strategy--be good. Get and keep the best players you can right now. Get the best coach you can right now. Play the best you can every game, win as much as you can, and turn around the morass of losing that this team has wallowed in for a decade now. It's shameful.


Honestly, here's a new rule I'd love to toss out there: RELEGATION. If your team finishes in the bottom 5 teams in the league for 3 straight years or something like that, your team gets relegated to the D-League. If you finish in the bottom 10 for 7 or 8 straight years, you get relegated to the D-League. What would you guys think of that?