Mile-high musings- Nuggets GDT

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alexftbl8181 wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:KG shot better from 3 point land his first year than wiggy is this year! Ouch.

Heard we were up 18 in the 3rd and blew it. That's another bad coaching job from sammich


KG made 6 threes the whole year, not the same as Wiggins,

I can put Wiggins and Towns as 1A and 1B, I think both are better then what KG was at that age


Really? Towns I get. Explain why you think Wiggins was better than KG at 20? KG did basically everything better than Wiggins.
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@LIP & LST In regards to Zach looking at the sideline, I'll agree that Zach doesn't need eye contact to gain instruction. I'll agree that each player learns differently and possibly the best thing for Zach is to be hounded and pushed as hard as possible by Sam.

However what I see is Sam being a micro manager, trying to over control things maybe even because what he wants isn't happening without him micro managing. This tactic gets old and doesn't breed confidence in your young player......to me its a spot where Sam needs to improve. His micro managing tactic seems to slow down the offense making the shot clock more and more the enemy. I think he should stop barking orders non-stop play after play and focus on qualitative instruction.

In practice I'd instill confidence by telling Zach so and so can't guard you when you push the ball ( "ALL DAY" in my best KG voice) and let your natural instincts take over. I'd instill confidence by explaining that my floor generals push the ball and when nothing is there they identify the matchups and who can take advantage and call out the best play. When they find a match up or a hot player on the floor they abuse it until the other team stops it. My on the court instruction would be less barking and more meaningful content like assisting in identifying those mis-matches.

In a more Phil Jackson philosophical approach I think players learn by going though things both good and bad. I'd coach more intently during free throws, during timeouts and more than anything during film study. When in the game play the game as aggressively as possible and put forth effort! Its trusting your preparation will lead to success not your barking.
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alexftbl8181 wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:KG shot better from 3 point land his first year than wiggy is this year! Ouch.

Heard we were up 18 in the 3rd and blew it. That's another bad coaching job from sammich


KG made 6 threes the whole year, not the same as Wiggins,

I can put Wiggins and Towns as 1A and 1B, I think both are better then what KG was at that age



I won't do the same. Not with Wiggins. No chance.

We read about Wiggins being this defensive stopper. We see glimpses of it. But we also see advanced stats (take them or leave them) that indicate he is far below average. Personally, I think he can be a pretty solid defender. But getting loose balls, attacking the glass and other things are part of defense, too, right?

Garnett WAS a very good defender at age 20. Add his superior versatility on offense at that age compared to Wiggins and I don't see how they're remotely close.

I'm very eager to let this season play out and compare Towns with Garnett. That one could be a fun discussion... but Wiggins > Garnett... no. No. NO.


[Edit: I couldn't even read the rest of the the thread before responding... apparently, I wasn't alone in finding the Wiggins comments puzzling.]
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'm ashamed to read the last couple pages of this thread. Who has been more clutch for the Wolves this year than Wiggins? So he missed a shot at the end of the game, big fucking deal. For most of the season, he has been our go to player in 4th quarters, and more often than not he's responded. Some of you guys flip flop on him from game to game. He's easily the guy you want taking the big shots on our team, at least right now. How many times tonight did he get to the line when we really needed points?

I don't know if he will ever become a Kobe Bryant. His handle is better but still needs work. He doesn't fill the stat sheet the way you think he should, at least not yet. He doesn't come up with many loose balls. But anybody that can score and defend like he can at the age of 20 has a chance to be great. i'm so fucking tired of reading this bullshit, that you have his career all figured out at this point. There are 29 teams in this league that would love to have the problem of a developing Wiggins. Some of you fans don't deserve a talent like Wiggins. The pissing and moaning is ridiculous.


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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:KG shot better from 3 point land his first year than wiggy is this year! Ouch.

Heard we were up 18 in the 3rd and blew it. That's another bad coaching job from sammich


KG made 6 threes the whole year, not the same as Wiggins,

I can put Wiggins and Towns as 1A and 1B, I think both are better then what KG was at that age



I won't do the same. Not with Wiggins. No chance.

We read about Wiggins being this defensive stopper. We see glimpses of it. But we also see advanced stats (take them or leave them) that indicate he is far below average. Personally, I think he can be a pretty solid defender. But getting loose balls, attacking the glass and other things are part of defense, too, right?

Garnett WAS a very good defender at age 20. Add his superior versatility on offense at that age compared to Wiggins and I don't see how they're remotely close.

I'm very eager to let this season play out and compare Towns with Garnett. That one could be a fun discussion... but Wiggins > Garnett... no. No. NO.


[Edit: I couldn't even read the rest of the the thread before responding... apparently, I wasn't alone in finding the Wiggins comments puzzling.]


I agree with where you rank these 3 guys. KG was a marvelous player already at that point. People are blown away by Towns and they should be because what he can do is amazingly refined but KG at 20 already looked like a guy with the skillset to be an all star at any position you wanted him to play it. It was ridiculous. If Wiggins isn't that good of an all round player that's not really a big knock on him to a certain extent because to me KG is one of the best all around versatile players ever to play the game. Should we expect more from Wiggins? Sure and for example I have gotten extremely frustrated when his lack of handle fails him and the team but damn he is also a really damn good talent. Like Sam says about these young guys they are asking them to do a lot. Sometimes they won't be up to the task.
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monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:KG shot better from 3 point land his first year than wiggy is this year! Ouch.

Heard we were up 18 in the 3rd and blew it. That's another bad coaching job from sammich


KG made 6 threes the whole year, not the same as Wiggins,

I can put Wiggins and Towns as 1A and 1B, I think both are better then what KG was at that age



I won't do the same. Not with Wiggins. No chance.

We read about Wiggins being this defensive stopper. We see glimpses of it. But we also see advanced stats (take them or leave them) that indicate he is far below average. Personally, I think he can be a pretty solid defender. But getting loose balls, attacking the glass and other things are part of defense, too, right?

Garnett WAS a very good defender at age 20. Add his superior versatility on offense at that age compared to Wiggins and I don't see how they're remotely close.

I'm very eager to let this season play out and compare Towns with Garnett. That one could be a fun discussion... but Wiggins > Garnett... no. No. NO.


[Edit: I couldn't even read the rest of the the thread before responding... apparently, I wasn't alone in finding the Wiggins comments puzzling.]


I agree with where you rank these 3 guys. KG was a marvelous player already at that point. People are blown away by Towns and they should be because what he can do is amazingly refined but KG at 20 already looked like a guy with the skillset to be an all star at any position you wanted him to play it. It was ridiculous. If Wiggins isn't that good of an all round player that's not really a big knock on him to a certain extent because to me KG is one of the best all around versatile players ever to play the game. Should we expect more from Wiggins? Sure and for example I have gotten extremely frustrated when his lack of handle fails him and the team but damn he is also a really damn good talent. Like Sam says about these young guys they are asking them to do a lot. Sometimes they won't be up to the task.



Sure. I think anybody being realistic knows that Wiggins is a great talent. As is Towns. And everybody understands they're learning and should give them somewhat of a pass because they're so young. There's a lot of learning and improving in front of them. And that's the thing for me...

When the season is over... I want to see improvement from a guy like Wiggins from his rookie season.

Using the "but he's young. Give him time" mantra is perfectly cool. We all should do that. But if a potential superstar plateaus from season to season early in his career? That bucks the general trend among stars (which so many project him to be) and it should be looked at with more skepticism. Why hasn't he improved?


[Note: That's been my take with Rubio. I don't care about the injuries. The guy hasn't improved enough in his 4+ seasons to warrant the talk about "He COULD be this" optimism. Basically, we know what he is. That's not a bad player at all. But by now, everybody should have tempered expectations for him to be "about" what he is right now.]
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