Can "insert player name" be the MAN on a championship team myth

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Can "insert player name" be the MAN on a championship team myth

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Top players in the league

lebron
durant
love
paul
melo
harden
howard
westbrook
curry

All those players didn't lead their team to the title. Actually only one on that list has ever won a title.
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They can all single-handedly lead their team to the playoffs... Maybe that should be our starting point.
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Camden wrote:They can all single-handedly lead their team to the playoffs... Maybe that should be our starting point.


which player did that?
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I/m not sure what we mean by being able to lead a team to a title, but to me it would be a great 2-way player with excellent leadership skills, and go-to qualities in the clutch on both ends of the court. Using these criteria, I would include James, Durant and Paul in that group. Westbrook is close, but he has a tendency to make poor decisions offensively at crunch time. Howard is too flaky to lead a team to a title. And the other four, including Love, are clearly talented one-way players who will need a lot of help and a true alpha dog to win a title.
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I honestly do not care if Kevin Love can lead a team. I just want him to be part of the solution and if he bails now, he is not showing leadership qualities anyway. But if LeBron can't do it alone and Duncan can't do it alone, then Love surely can't and that is on Minnesota as well. If he wants to go somewhere else that has already put in the work to establish something, that is his call. Its time to move on and I hope Flip has done so.
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trade love & get back enough quality pieces to form a team. It takes an entire team to get there
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longstrangetrip wrote:I/m not sure what we mean by being able to lead a team to a title, but to me it would be a great 2-way player with excellent leadership skills, and go-to qualities in the clutch on both ends of the court. Using these criteria, I would include James, Durant and Paul in that group. Westbrook is close, but he has a tendency to make poor decisions offensively at crunch time. Howard is too flaky to lead a team to a title. And the other four, including Love, are clearly talented one-way players who will need a lot of help and a true alpha dog to win a title.


Who was Detroit's true alpha dog in 2004? Who was San Antonio's true alpha dog this season?

I think Love is good enough to be the best player on a title team, but like every team that has won a title, he needs other really, really good players.
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He has the talent, but his leadership skills are severely lacking. You will never build a contending team without stars if the one you have keeps throwing his teammates under the bus.
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Q12543 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:I/m not sure what we mean by being able to lead a team to a title, but to me it would be a great 2-way player with excellent leadership skills, and go-to qualities in the clutch on both ends of the court. Using these criteria, I would include James, Durant and Paul in that group. Westbrook is close, but he has a tendency to make poor decisions offensively at crunch time. Howard is too flaky to lead a team to a title. And the other four, including Love, are clearly talented one-way players who will need a lot of help and a true alpha dog to win a title.


Who was Detroit's true alpha dog in 2004? Who was San Antonio's true alpha dog this season?

I think Love is good enough to be the best player on a title team, but like every team that has won a title, he needs other really, really good players.


Neither Detroit or San Antonio had a max player, and every player on the team embodied the team concept first and foremost. That is not Kevin Love. Kevin Love is a one-on-one player, and at times can be quite the ball stopper. He wants his first and foremost.

Detroit did and San Antonio does have alpha dog leader personalities. Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Billups all set the tone for that Detroit team. San Antonio has had that alpha dog for 15 years in Tim Duncan. He may not be fiery, but he is definitely a leader. That whole team takes on his calm demeanor. They rarely crumble or get flustered. The only player we have that is capable of leading on any level is Rubio. I look forward to seeing him orchestrate the offense again, without Love. I almost wish we had kept Derrick Williams, as Rubio and him seemed to have good chemistry when Rubio was last allowed to run the show.

Listen to all of San Antonio's players last night. Many of them said things along the lines of, "When the balls moving, every one is touching it, we all get energized." Everyone builds confidence with that kind of play. That's what we need. Been fun to watch you get your stats Love, but good luck elsewhere. I want to win, and it starts with a team.
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sjm34 wrote:He has the talent, but his leadership skills are severely lacking. You will never build a contending team without stars if the one you have keeps throwing his teammates under the bus.


Agree 100%. A real leader takes time out to help his teammates get better. Sits down with them and talks with them about what they need to do. A leader puts his whole team in the best situation to win, as a leader knows he only goes as far as his team does.. A leader does not go to the media about his teammates, and does not truly believe he is putting the whole team on his back.
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