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longstrangetrip wrote:
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sjm34 wrote:Not sure how that does anything to quiet the rumors. Flip never said anything regarding whether they have been talking trade with the Celtics.


I'd invite you to click on the links and read all the tweets then decide.

More Flip: "I know there's a feeding frenzy out there from a lot of teams, unfortunately they have no say. I plan on Kevin being here"

Flip's doing his job. It's Love's silence that speaks volumes.


True but Flip and Glenn have now both said they are planing to keep Love so that at least tells me if something comes up its probably not going to be widely known before it happens. Some team is going to have to blow them out of the water with a trade. Is that their negotiating plan? Maybe, but I'm gonna take them at their word and focus on what may be done to improve the team with Love still on it. Flip and Glenn control where Love is playing the next few months. Love gets to decide soon enough hopefully the Wolves do enough to make him want to stay. I am not sure what Love could say right now that would come off well (we all know he isn't 100% committed to the Wolves) and we all know he likes being in the media.
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monsterpile wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
sjm34 wrote:Not sure how that does anything to quiet the rumors. Flip never said anything regarding whether they have been talking trade with the Celtics.


I'd invite you to click on the links and read all the tweets then decide.

More Flip: "I know there's a feeding frenzy out there from a lot of teams, unfortunately they have no say. I plan on Kevin being here"

Flip's doing his job. It's Love's silence that speaks volumes.


True but Flip and Glenn have now both said they are planing to keep Love so that at least tells me if something comes up its probably not going to be widely known before it happens. Some team is going to have to blow them out of the water with a trade. Is that their negotiating plan? Maybe, but I'm gonna take them at their word and focus on what may be done to improve the team with Love still on it. Flip and Glenn control where Love is playing the next few months. Love gets to decide soon enough hopefully the Wolves do enough to make him want to stay. I am not sure what Love could say right now that would come off well (we all know he isn't 100% committed to the Wolves) and we all know he likes being in the media.

Monster, I'm not sure what's going to happen. But taking Flip and Glen for their word is a mistake. It's all a game and the side that shows their cards first will lose. Take anything management says with a grain of salt at this point. In fact you would be better off assuming the opposite.
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I hope Flip is just posturing. But I think Flip fully intends to keep Love. I think that would be a mistake. There is a window of opportunity here to turn a lemon into Lemonade as a number of teams foam at the mouth at the prospect of adding a young all-star PF to their roster. Unfortunately, I think Flip believes his own rhetoric about the team being close and just needing a tweak or two. I remember McHale and Babcock telling us for years in season ticket holder meetings that the team was "close." Sadly, they actually believe the line they were feeding us. I suspect that Flip, Babcock and Flip's lackey from Washington have all similarly deluded themselves into believing they can turn last year's team into a playoff team and a successful enough team to keep Love. Here are some problems with that thinking:

1. The Wolves were remarkably healthy last season. Our two best players, Love and Ricky, played almost every game without being seriously hobbled by any nagging injuries. Kevin Martin was unusually healthy - something we can't count on again given his track record and age. Memphis lost one of their top two players, Gasol, for nearly 30 games and had to adjust to a new head coach, yet they still won 50 games. Memphis will likely be even stronger next season and the rest of the Conference will likely get stronger.

2. The Wolves have no cap room and no attractive assets other than Love and Rubio to trade. We have one other very good player, Pek, but he has an expensive, long term contract and ongoing ankle issues. The rest of the roster players have contracts that exceed their on-court value.

3. As much as many of us complained about Adelman, he was a hall-of-fame head coach and we can't count on hiring anyone as good, much less better.

Love is hot asset right now and we need to strike while that iron is hot. The risk of losing him after next season is far too big a gamble given the situation we're in. A decision by Flip to roll the dice on keeping Love would be reckless.
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
sjm34 wrote:Not sure how that does anything to quiet the rumors. Flip never said anything regarding whether they have been talking trade with the Celtics.


I'd invite you to click on the links and read all the tweets then decide.

More Flip: "I know there's a feeding frenzy out there from a lot of teams, unfortunately they have no say. I plan on Kevin being here"

Flip's doing his job. It's Love's silence that speaks volumes.


True but Flip and Glenn have now both said they are planing to keep Love so that at least tells me if something comes up its probably not going to be widely known before it happens. Some team is going to have to blow them out of the water with a trade. Is that their negotiating plan? Maybe, but I'm gonna take them at their word and focus on what may be done to improve the team with Love still on it. Flip and Glenn control where Love is playing the next few months. Love gets to decide soon enough hopefully the Wolves do enough to make him want to stay. I am not sure what Love could say right now that would come off well (we all know he isn't 100% committed to the Wolves) and we all know he likes being in the media.

Monster, I'm not sure what's going to happen. But taking Flip and Glen for their word is a mistake. It's all a game and the side that shows their cards first will lose. Take anything management says with a grain of salt at this point. In fact you would be better off assuming the opposite.


I tend to like to avoid hypothetical trade threads and this gives me a good reason to do so. :) The Comments from Flip and Glenn save me time. Thanks guys! lol
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lipoli390 wrote:I hope Flip is just posturing. But I think Flip fully intends to keep Love. I think that would be a mistake. There is a window of opportunity here to turn a lemon into Lemonade as a number of teams foam at the mouth at the prospect of adding a young all-star PF to their roster. Unfortunately, I think Flip believes his own rhetoric about the team being close and just needing a tweak or two. I remember McHale and Babcock telling us for years in season ticket holder meetings that the team was "close." Sadly, they actually believe the line they were feeding us. I suspect that Flip, Babcock and Flip's lackey from Washington have all similarly deluded themselves into believing they can turn last year's team into a playoff team and a successful enough team to keep Love. Here are some problems with that thinking:

1. The Wolves were remarkably healthy last season. Our two best players, Love and Ricky, played almost every game without being seriously hobbled by any nagging injuries. Kevin Martin was unusually healthy - something we can't count on again given his track record and age. Memphis lost one of their top two players, Gasol, for nearly 30 games and had to adjust to a new head coach, yet they still won 50 games. Memphis will likely be even stronger next season and the rest of the Conference will likely get stronger.

2. The Wolves have no cap room and no attractive assets other than Love and Rubio to trade. We have one other very good player, Pek, but he has an expensive, long term contract and ongoing ankle issues. The rest of the roster players have contracts that exceed their on-court value.

3. As much as many of us complained about Adelman, he was a hall-of-fame head coach and we can't count on hiring anyone as good, much less better.

Love is hot asset right now and we need to strike while that iron is hot. The risk of losing him after next season is far too big a gamble given the situation we're in. A decision by Flip to roll the dice on keeping Love would be reckless.

Agree with most of what you say here Lip, but I don't think Flip believes this team is close. He's playing the game right now, and I'd bet he went along with Love going to Boston this weekend to check things out. He's trying to get the best deal possible..
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I hope you're right, Cool.
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lipoli390 wrote:I hope Flip is just posturing. But I think Flip fully intends to keep Love. I think that would be a mistake. There is a window of opportunity here to turn a lemon into Lemonade as a number of teams foam at the mouth at the prospect of adding a young all-star PF to their roster. Unfortunately, I think Flip believes his own rhetoric about the team being close and just needing a tweak or two. I remember McHale and Babcock telling us for years in season ticket holder meetings that the team was "close." Sadly, they actually believe the line they were feeding us. I suspect that Flip, Babcock and Flip's lackey from Washington have all similarly deluded themselves into believing they can turn last year's team into a playoff team and a successful enough team to keep Love. Here are some problems with that thinking:

1. The Wolves were remarkably healthy last season. Our two best players, Love and Ricky, played almost every game without being seriously hobbled by any nagging injuries. Kevin Martin was unusually healthy - something we can't count on again given his track record and age. Memphis lost one of their top two players, Gasol, for nearly 30 games and had to adjust to a new head coach, yet they still won 50 games. Memphis will likely be even stronger next season and the rest of the Conference will likely get stronger.

2. The Wolves have no cap room and no attractive assets other than Love and Rubio to trade. We have one other very good player, Pek, but he has an expensive, long term contract and ongoing ankle issues. The rest of the roster players have contracts that exceed their on-court value.

3. As much as many of us complained about Adelman, he was a hall-of-fame head coach and we can't count on hiring anyone as good, much less better.

Love is hot asset right now and we need to strike while that iron is hot. The risk of losing him after next season is far too big a gamble given the situation we're in. A decision by Flip to roll the dice on keeping Love would be reckless.

We don't know what Flip is thinking, of course, but I tend to think you're right, lip...that he thinks this team is close and some tweaking can get them into the playoffs, and maybe even convince Kevin to stay. But I also think he is holding on to realism too, and knows that the prudent thing to do is to listen to all possible offers, and strike if something is really good. Maybe I just think that because that is the way I would be thinking.

My concern is that the rumored deals are better than what is actually going to be offered, and in that case I would like Flip to wait. I think a guy like Ainge is more likely to offer something like Sullinger and unattractive pieces (to balance out the $), the 16th pick and the protected Philly pick. Or Cleveland holds on to the #1 pick and just offers players. In these cases, I think Flip has to be patient and not pull the trigger. It's going to be a realaly interesting process.
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monsterpile wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
sjm34 wrote:Not sure how that does anything to quiet the rumors. Flip never said anything regarding whether they have been talking trade with the Celtics.


I'd invite you to click on the links and read all the tweets then decide.

More Flip: "I know there's a feeding frenzy out there from a lot of teams, unfortunately they have no say. I plan on Kevin being here"

Flip's doing his job. It's Love's silence that speaks volumes.


True but Flip and Glenn have now both said they are planing to keep Love so that at least tells me if something comes up its probably not going to be widely known before it happens. Some team is going to have to blow them out of the water with a trade. Is that their negotiating plan? Maybe, but I'm gonna take them at their word and focus on what may be done to improve the team with Love still on it. Flip and Glenn control where Love is playing the next few months. Love gets to decide soon enough hopefully the Wolves do enough to make him want to stay. I am not sure what Love could say right now that would come off well (we all know he isn't 100% committed to the Wolves) and we all know he likes being in the media.

Monster, I'm not sure what's going to happen. But taking Flip and Glen for their word is a mistake. It's all a game and the side that shows their cards first will lose. Take anything management says with a grain of salt at this point. In fact you would be better off assuming the opposite.


I tend to like to avoid hypothetical trade threads and this gives me a good reason to do so. :) The Comments from Flip and Glenn save me time. Thanks guys! lol

I hear you, monster...I don't get a kick out of completely hypothetical trade threads either. But the combination of media rumors and Love's silence/Boston trip tell me that this situation has elevated out of the hypothetical category.
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All this talk about Flip posturing or not...I think the bigger picture is being missed here. I think it's clear Flip hasn't received any offers worthy of him taking serious consideration on , and thus they SHOULD plan on him staying here. That could change if a team gives a legitimate offer but that hasn't happened yet.

What's the upside of Flip saying "we will probably trade Love"? Then you've just announced your intentions, taking away half of your leverage in the situation (the threat of keeping him). Additionally, if you do in fact end up not getting a worthy offer and keep Love, then Love has it in his head that the team fully planned on trading him, so there's even less reason for him to commit long-term to the Wolves.

If the Wolves are offered the #1 pick+Waiters for Love+#13 or something, I think he should take it. If Love is offered Sullinger (or KO), plus #6 and both unprotected picks from Brooklyn, then Flip should take it. If he's offered Klay Thompson+Barnes for Love, then Flip should consider it. If he's offered anything less than these things, then we might as well just start a game of chicken with Love.

Keep in mind people that this isn't like the previous CBA with the S&T that could be made next offseason where Love could get paid the extra max year. Love stands to lose $20-30 million if he were to not be traded by this next trading deadline and if he were to then opt-out and not re-sign with the Wolves. Most players would not walk away from that type of money. Dwight Howard and LeBron did, but that's rare. Even the Raptors S&T'd Bosh...and the rules have since changed.

So I fully support this route, and although I hope we can somehow end up with a package from the Cavs involving the #1 pick, if we don't get a major coup on return, then I'd take my chances on if he re-signs. Worst case scenario is that Love ends up walking, Wolves open up $16+ mil cap room, and Flip sends a message to both other teams and his own players that he's not going to sell at a discount simply for the chance to get "something" in return.
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mrhockey89 wrote:All this talk about Flip posturing or not...I think the bigger picture is being missed here. I think it's clear Flip hasn't received any offers worthy of him taking serious consideration on , and thus they SHOULD plan on him staying here. That could change if a team gives a legitimate offer but that hasn't happened yet.

What's the upside of Flip saying "we will probably trade Love"? Then you've just announced your intentions, taking away half of your leverage in the situation (the threat of keeping him). Additionally, if you do in fact end up not getting a worthy offer and keep Love, then Love has it in his head that the team fully planned on trading him, so there's even less reason for him to commit long-term to the Wolves.

If the Wolves are offered the #1 pick+Waiters for Love+#13 or something, I think he should take it. If Love is offered Sullinger (or KO), plus #6 and both unprotected picks from Brooklyn, then Flip should take it. If he's offered Klay Thompson+Barnes for Love, then Flip should consider it. If he's offered anything less than these things, then we might as well just start a game of chicken with Love.

Keep in mind people that this isn't like the previous CBA with the S&T that could be made next offseason where Love could get paid the extra max year. Love stands to lose $20-30 million if he were to not be traded by this next trading deadline and if he were to then opt-out and not re-sign with the Wolves. Most players would not walk away from that type of money. Dwight Howard and LeBron did, but that's rare. Even the Raptors S&T'd Bosh...and the rules have since changed.

So I fully support this route, and although I hope we can somehow end up with a package from the Cavs involving the #1 pick, if we don't get a major coup on return, then I'd take my chances on if he re-signs. Worst case scenario is that Love ends up walking, Wolves open up $16+ mil cap room, and Flip sends a message to both other teams and his own players that he's not going to sell at a discount simply for the chance to get "something" in return.

Why is it clear that he hasn't received any offers worth taking seriously? Clear as mud maybe, but I'd bet he is working the phones constantly. He's also probably smart enough to know that the best offers are going to come very close to, if not on draft day. For now he's probably trying to determine who the serious suitors are, and will play them off against each other as the draft approaches.

But like you, a big part of me would like to see the Wolves force him to take less money to leave. That would be a nice change of pace.
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