Comparative Stats from Summer League - The Bigs

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Thanks for posting this. Realizing you were focused on the big men here, I'm curious what Russell's 36 minute numbers looked like. I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

Russell averaged 6.2 Rebs and 3.8 Assts per 36, which is very good. He didn't shoot the ball well and turned it over a ton, but those things will come around eventually. I still think he will be really good, but yeah, none of the top 3 from the draft dominated in Summer League.

I'm going to take this out of context, but why is this very good?

He was in the back court with Clarkson, who was LA's PG last season. They basically shared ball handling duties for their SL team, so it's not like Russell was playing solely on the ball. I just thought his combination of rebounds and assists was pretty impressive given the situation. Everything else? Not so much, but I think his shot eventually comes around. Almost all of the young rookies struggled with shooting.

[Coolbreeze44]

Thanks for posting this. Realizing you were focused on the big men here, I'm curious what Russell's 36 minute numbers looked like. I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

Russell averaged 6.2 Rebs and 3.8 Assts per 36, which is very good. He didn't shoot the ball well and turned it over a ton, but those things will come around eventually. I still think he will be really good, but yeah, none of the top 3 from the draft dominated in Summer League.

I'm going to take this out of context, but why is this very good?

He was in the back court with Clarkson, who was LA's PG last season. They basically shared ball handling duties for their SL team, so it's not like Russell was playing solely on the ball. I just thought his combination of rebounds and assists was pretty impressive given the situation. Everything else? Not so much, but I think his shot eventually comes around. Almost all of the young rookies struggled with shooting.

Russell was universally panned for his play in Summer League. The games I saw (not all of them) he had the ball a vast majority of the time. 3.8 assists coupled with his poor shooting represented a disappointing showing for Laker fans. His average athleticism was very evident also.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Thanks for posting this. Realizing you were focused on the big men here, I'm curious what Russell's 36 minute numbers looked like. I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

Russell averaged 6.2 Rebs and 3.8 Assts per 36, which is very good. He didn't shoot the ball well and turned it over a ton, but those things will come around eventually. I still think he will be really good, but yeah, none of the top 3 from the draft dominated in Summer League.

I'm going to take this out of context, but why is this very good?

He was in the back court with Clarkson, who was LA's PG last season. They basically shared ball handling duties for their SL team, so it's not like Russell was playing solely on the ball. I just thought his combination of rebounds and assists was pretty impressive given the situation. Everything else? Not so much, but I think his shot eventually comes around. Almost all of the young rookies struggled with shooting.

Russell was universally panned for his play in Summer League. The games I saw (not all of them) he had the ball a vast majority of the time. 3.8 assists coupled with his poor shooting represented a disappointing showing for Laker fans. His average athleticism was very evident also.

So you're critical of people overreacting to Summer League games in one thread and yet perfectly comfortable saying Russell and Randle have no star power based on their play in Summer League in this thread?

[Coolbreeze44]

Thanks for posting this. Realizing you were focused on the big men here, I'm curious what Russell's 36 minute numbers looked like. I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

Russell averaged 6.2 Rebs and 3.8 Assts per 36, which is very good. He didn't shoot the ball well and turned it over a ton, but those things will come around eventually. I still think he will be really good, but yeah, none of the top 3 from the draft dominated in Summer League.

I'm going to take this out of context, but why is this very good?

He was in the back court with Clarkson, who was LA's PG last season. They basically shared ball handling duties for their SL team, so it's not like Russell was playing solely on the ball. I just thought his combination of rebounds and assists was pretty impressive given the situation. Everything else? Not so much, but I think his shot eventually comes around. Almost all of the young rookies struggled with shooting.

Russell was universally panned for his play in Summer League. The games I saw (not all of them) he had the ball a vast majority of the time. 3.8 assists coupled with his poor shooting represented a disappointing showing for Laker fans. His average athleticism was very evident also.

So you're critical of people overreacting to Summer League games in one thread and yet perfectly comfortable saying Russell and Randle have no star power based on their play in Summer League in this thread?

Here is exactly what I said:

I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

The key is I don't see greatness in either. Not saying they can't be good or even standouts one day.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Thanks for posting this. Realizing you were focused on the big men here, I'm curious what Russell's 36 minute numbers looked like. I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

Russell averaged 6.2 Rebs and 3.8 Assts per 36, which is very good. He didn't shoot the ball well and turned it over a ton, but those things will come around eventually. I still think he will be really good, but yeah, none of the top 3 from the draft dominated in Summer League.

I'm going to take this out of context, but why is this very good?

He was in the back court with Clarkson, who was LA's PG last season. They basically shared ball handling duties for their SL team, so it's not like Russell was playing solely on the ball. I just thought his combination of rebounds and assists was pretty impressive given the situation. Everything else? Not so much, but I think his shot eventually comes around. Almost all of the young rookies struggled with shooting.

Russell was universally panned for his play in Summer League. The games I saw (not all of them) he had the ball a vast majority of the time. 3.8 assists coupled with his poor shooting represented a disappointing showing for Laker fans. His average athleticism was very evident also.

So you're critical of people overreacting to Summer League games in one thread and yet perfectly comfortable saying Russell and Randle have no star power based on their play in Summer League in this thread?

Here is exactly what I said:

I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

The key is I don't see greatness in either. Not saying they can't be good or even standouts one day.

They've only played summer league at this level. How is that not judging a lot based on summer league? How can you be comfortable in saying you don't see greatness when summer league is literally the only professional action they've seen in their careers? Russell had the highest chance of being a star pre-draft statistically and somehow you're comfortable that won't be the case and all he's done since the draft is play in the summer league. I just don't see how it's possible to not put much stock in summer league yet at the same time say two guys who have only played in summer league aren't going to be stars.

[Coolbreeze44]

Thanks for posting this. Realizing you were focused on the big men here, I'm curious what Russell's 36 minute numbers looked like. I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

Russell averaged 6.2 Rebs and 3.8 Assts per 36, which is very good. He didn't shoot the ball well and turned it over a ton, but those things will come around eventually. I still think he will be really good, but yeah, none of the top 3 from the draft dominated in Summer League.

I'm going to take this out of context, but why is this very good?

He was in the back court with Clarkson, who was LA's PG last season. They basically shared ball handling duties for their SL team, so it's not like Russell was playing solely on the ball. I just thought his combination of rebounds and assists was pretty impressive given the situation. Everything else? Not so much, but I think his shot eventually comes around. Almost all of the young rookies struggled with shooting.

Russell was universally panned for his play in Summer League. The games I saw (not all of them) he had the ball a vast majority of the time. 3.8 assists coupled with his poor shooting represented a disappointing showing for Laker fans. His average athleticism was very evident also.

So you're critical of people overreacting to Summer League games in one thread and yet perfectly comfortable saying Russell and Randle have no star power based on their play in Summer League in this thread?

Here is exactly what I said:

I refuse to judge much based solely on summer league, but I'm comforted to believe that the Lakers don't possess a future great in either Randle or Russell.

The key is I don't see greatness in either. Not saying they can't be good or even standouts one day.

They've only played summer league at this level. How is that not judging a lot based on summer league? How can you be comfortable in saying you don't see greatness when summer league is literally the only professional action they've seen in their careers? Russell had the highest chance of being a star pre-draft statistically and somehow you're comfortable that won't be the case and all he's done since the draft is play in the summer league. I just don't see how it's possible to not put much stock in summer league yet at the same time say two guys who have only played in summer league aren't going to be stars.

You're over thinking this and not understanding what i'm saying. I'm with you on not using such a small sample to judge players. In fact I've been saying it for a couple weeks. What i'm saying is I don't see greatness in either player., and it's based more on just summer league. You don't remember that I was not as high on Russell all year. In fact I had him no higher than fifth in my pre-draft rankings. It's not just a summer league thing for me. And Randle aside from the injury concerns is a tweener, part 3 and part 4. The last part you don't get is the definition of greatness. There is a difference between stars and greats. Andrew Wiggins is a star who could become great. Joe Johnson is a star who will never be great. I have no idea how good Russell can become, but i'm comfortable in saying he doesn't have greatness in him. And it doesn't have much to do with summer league, although his weaknesses became more evident.

[MikkeMan]

Player Pts FG% FT% FTAs Rbs Asts Stls Blks Tos
Towns 14.8 0.40 0.73 6.9 8.3 2.3 0.9 2.1 3.9
Okafor 18.6 0.44 0.39 7.5 9.9 1.6 0.9 0.9 5.4
Porzingis 18.4 0.48 0.71 10.5 5.6 1.8 1.8 3.2 2.2
Cauley-Stein 18.3 0.51 0.65 13.8 8.7 1 0.6 4.5 1.3

I realize this might be a little hard to read. I thought it would be interesting to take a look at the per 36 minute stats of the big men from summer league

Nice work Q. This really shows that each of the young high drafted big men struggled in some area during summer league.

I will add 36 minute stats for some interesting big men that were drafted later in 1st round or 2nd round picks to see how they did compared to those most talented prospects:

Player Pts FG% FT% FTAs Rbs Asts Stls Blks Tos
M. Turner 23.2 0.61 0.80 4.1 10.3 0.0 0.9 5.3 1.2
Kaminsky 16.8 0.44 0.77 3.8 8.6 0.9 0.7 1.1 1.5
B. Portis 18.5 0.42 0.75 5.1 11.1 0.4 0.9 1.7 2.1
M. Harrell 21.3 0.48 0.50 9.1 10.4 1.3 1.3 1.6 1.6
J. Mickey 15.6 0.53 0.67 5.0 10.1 0.6 1.0 3.1 1.8
Tavares 12.6 0.56 0.88 2.3 11.8 0.5 0.5 4.9 3.2
D. Johnson 10.2 0.49 0.57 1.9 11.6 0.5 0.5 0.5 3.0

It was at least for me little surprise that Kaminsky and Portis per 36 minutes stats didn't differ that much from Towns' and Okafor's stats. Their best games were really nice but both players had also games that were not that pretty. Turner was terrific in his three games but that is still really small sample size. Both Harrell and Mickey might have some potential to be 2nd round steals as a undersized PF ala Paul Millsap. Tavares (Atlanta 2nd round pick 2014) have some potential to be last years draft's Rudy Gobert.

[60WinTim]

Atlanta's desire to bring over Tavares this year was one of the reasons Payne was available for a future 1st round pick...

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I just noticed that NBA.com also posted a partial list of leaders from the Hustle Stats they tracked in Vegas. As a reminder, here are the stats they tracked:

Contested 2-Pt Field Goal Attempts
Contested 3-Pt Field Goal Attempts
Deflections
Charges Drawn
Loose Balls Recovered

Karl-Anthony Towns led all Las Vegas summer league players in Contested 2-Pt field goal attempts and he was 3rd in loose balls recovered. That's a very good sign, as I believe these are the types of plays that translate from one setting to another and do make a difference.

The only other Timberwolf to make the top 3 in any category was Lorenzo Brown, who was 2nd in deflections.

The team that won the hustle stats battle had a 60% win rate (obviously we didn't do enough of it as a team, but at least KAT did well).

[Monster]

I just noticed that NBA.com also posted a partial list of leaders from the Hustle Stats they tracked in Vegas. As a reminder, here are the stats they tracked:

Contested 2-Pt Field Goal Attempts
Contested 3-Pt Field Goal Attempts
Deflections
Charges Drawn
Loose Balls Recovered

Karl-Anthony Towns led all Las Vegas summer league players in Contested 2-Pt field goal attempts and he was 3rd in loose balls recovered. That's a very good sign, as I believe these are the types of plays that translate from one setting to another and do make a difference.

The only other Timberwolf to make the top 3 in any category was Lorenzo Brown, who was 2nd in deflections.

The team that won the hustle stats battle had a 60% win rate (obviously we didn't do enough of it as a team, but at least KAT did well).

How did you navigate to see those hustle stats? I'd like to overanalyze them. Lol

Those deflection stats for Brown are not a surprise to me he was pretty active. I will add that Brown showed a good knack for playing off his guy often doubling quickly. He got burned a couple times when guys were open for outside shots but some of those were times when other guys did not rotate properly. Then there was a couple games he was really up on guys most of the night. I thought he did better getting through screens. It was just SL but I thought Brown showed some real positive signs playing both on ball and off ball defense. He seems like a guy that would possibly be one an asset as a backup in a good defensive scheme.