Garnett out tonight - GDT For Tim

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

For the very last time, I do get/understand why YOU and the others think it was such a grand deal. You all harp on mentoring, mentoring and more mentoring. He's going to take the young guys, put them on his shoulders, climb the mountain and let them drink from the stream of wisdom. Blah blah blah. That's all overrated to me, especially when the player in question is playing 20 minutes max every third night.

"KG could sit every remaining road game this season, and we still got the better end of the deal." -- He probably will, as Flip and team try to preserve his 38-year old body. Did I mention he's 38-years old? And no, that would only mean we further got fleeced.

"KG's #1 role is to be a voice and mentor to the team. We are damn lucky to have such a unique situation that landed a Hall-Of-Famer in our midst." -- His number one JOB is to play basketball. That means being on the court, not icing knees, high-fiving and cheering/yelling from the bench. All of that is great if the guy's actually out there every night being a contributor, but we've had KG for 10 games (counting tonight's) and he's played 50% of them. I don't care about his HoF resume, that's just not good. You, Tim, are overvaluing the impact KG's having on the team WHEN HE'S NOT EVEN ON THE COURT. All he is right now is an assistant coach essentially.

"We went from have two Cs and two undersized PFs to having 3 Cs and 3 PFs, with just one of them being undersized." -- Not including Hamilton in this response because I doubt he sticks here. We still have Pekovic and Dieng. Bennett's still garbage (don't forget you were super high on him too). Nothing's changed there. We swapped Young for Garnett. Clearly you love that move whereas I definitely do not. And we threw a future first for Payne. I don't see how thrilled you can be when we still don't have a long-term answer for power forward OR center. We just have more warm bodies taking up roster spots. Hamilton and Bennett need to go after this year is over. We need the roster spots.

If you're planning on telling me for the fifth time that I don't get the KG trade, I'm going to go fucking insane. It insults me really. Say that you disagree, obviously, or that you think I'm wrong, but repeatedly saying "you don't get it" is an absurd tactic.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Doesn't look like KG's playing tonight either. Boy, we really hosed Brooklyn didn't we?? Whew.

You say you get it, but you really don't.

KG could sit every remaining road game this season, and we still got the better end of the deal. So you turkeys who feel the need to toot when KG sits a road game should just put a cork in it.

KG's #1 role is to be a voice and mentor to the team. We are damn lucky to have such a unique situation that landed a Hall-Of-Famer in our midst.

I am thrilled with the makeover Flip has done on this team. We went from have two Cs and two undersized PFs to having 3 Cs and 3 PFs, with just one of them being undersized. There's still some work to do in the offseason, but the future for this team is very bright. And KG's presence is part of it.

I don't care whether he plays or not. The more losses... the better, I guess. But, you're really buying into this (in bold) aren't you? It's PR spin. The trade had very little with actual basketball and everything to do with being a fun distraction, giving Garnett an easy out and setting up the country club.

For nearly 20 years, we've heard Garnett is a great teammate. And even a great leader. But did we hear about it being off court as a mentor... or on the court... leading by example? It was always as "leader by example" right? Now, we're supposed to say, no... not really. It's by his mentorship behind the scenes, ignore the past two decades of narratives. The NBA is already littered with "mentors" and "advisors" and assistant coaches. Some of them HOF players. Some teams have almost as many of these guys as players. And Garnett not playing is no more powerful of a mentor than Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon or whomever is toiling on benches as suit-wearing mentors for other teams over the years.

What's better? Having Garnett talk to a player on the bench (along with other people saying many of the same things) about where he should rotate on defense... or tell him on the court in the middle of a play for a real-world lesson in real time?

I'm cool with Garnett sitting... I figured he would on the road the moment the trade was made. But I refuse to be fed a pile of BS and just lap it up. I find that insulting.

[Coolbreeze44]

Doesn't look like KG's playing tonight either. Boy, we really hosed Brooklyn didn't we?? Whew.

You say you get it, but you really don't.

KG could sit every remaining road game this season, and we still got the better end of the deal. So you turkeys who feel the need to toot when KG sits a road game should just put a cork in it.

KG's #1 role is to be a voice and mentor to the team. We are damn lucky to have such a unique situation that landed a Hall-Of-Famer in our midst.

I am thrilled with the makeover Flip has done on this team. We went from have two Cs and two undersized PFs to having 3 Cs and 3 PFs, with just one of them being undersized. There's still some work to do in the offseason, but the future for this team is very bright. And KG's presence is part of it.

Eh, jeez, I don't know, not really,

[60WinTim]

I do agree, Abe, that PR is a big part of it. But isn't there some value in packing the Target Center so the kiddies can experience that energy. Isn't there value in making the Wolves relevant to more fans than just us?

Now it's up to the organization to grow that renewed interest by putting a winning product on the floor, but it is a brilliant PR move to recharge the fan base. It seems to me that the impact goes beyond just losing a few more games (which I disagree with, I think we wind up winning more games than what we would have won had we not made the trade, even with KG sitting road games).

Cam - I'll bet you dinner that Hamilton is on the roster next year. But, yeah, the Bennett experiment looks headed for a cliff...

[thedoper]

I do agree, Abe, that PR is a big part of it. But isn't there some value in packing the Target Center so the kiddies can experience that energy. Isn't there value in making the Wolves relevant to more fans than just us?

Now it's up to the organization to grow that renewed interest by putting a winning product on the floor, but it is a brilliant PR move to recharge the fan base. It seems to me that the impact goes beyond just losing a few more games (which I disagree with, I think we wind up winning more games than what we would have won had we not made the trade, even with KG sitting road games).

Cam - I'll bet you dinner that Hamilton is on the roster next year. But, yeah, the Bennett experiment looks headed for a cliff...

This kids were already quoted as saying how amazing it was to see the potential of the fans at target center after KGs first game. Garnett was the 2nd best thing we did all year behind the Wiggins trade. Love it. Plus we got Payne now too. We are Towns or Okafor away being back near 60 wins.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

I do agree, Abe, that PR is a big part of it. But isn't there some value in packing the Target Center so the kiddies can experience that energy. Isn't there value in making the Wolves relevant to more fans than just us?

For the ownership, yes, but why the hell should we care about kids who aren't ours having a good time at a game?Good basketball teams do moves for basketball reasons, not PR ones


Now it's up to the organization to grow that renewed interest by putting a winning product on the floor, but it is a brilliant PR move to recharge the fan base. It seems to me that the impact goes beyond just losing a few more games (which I disagree with, I think we wind up winning more games than what we would have won had we not made the trade, even with KG sitting road games).

Again, yes it was a good PR move, but again, why the hell should we care? The long time fans here care a hell of a lot more of producing a team that's going to be good long term, not a short sugar high.

Cam - I'll bet you dinner that Hamilton is on the roster next year. But, yeah, the Bennett experiment looks headed for a cliff...

Why in the world should Hamilton be on the team next year?

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

I do agree, Abe, that PR is a big part of it. But isn't there some value in packing the Target Center so the kiddies can experience that energy. Isn't there value in making the Wolves relevant to more fans than just us?

Now it's up to the organization to grow that renewed interest by putting a winning product on the floor, but it is a brilliant PR move to recharge the fan base. It seems to me that the impact goes beyond just losing a few more games (which I disagree with, I think we wind up winning more games than what we would have won had we not made the trade, even with KG sitting road games).

Cam - I'll bet you dinner that Hamilton is on the roster next year. But, yeah, the Bennett experiment looks headed for a cliff...

This kids were already quoted as saying how amazing it was to see the potential of the fans at target center after KGs first game. Garnett was the 2nd best thing we did all year behind the Wiggins trade. Love it. Plus we got Payne now too. We are Towns or Okafor away being back near 60 wins.

dumbest statement of the century, you must be joking

[AbeVigodaLive]

I do agree, Abe, that PR is a big part of it. But isn't there some value in packing the Target Center so the kiddies can experience that energy. Isn't there value in making the Wolves relevant to more fans than just us?

Now it's up to the organization to grow that renewed interest by putting a winning product on the floor, but it is a brilliant PR move to recharge the fan base. It seems to me that the impact goes beyond just losing a few more games (which I disagree with, I think we wind up winning more games than what we would have won had we not made the trade, even with KG sitting road games).

Cam - I'll bet you dinner that Hamilton is on the roster next year. But, yeah, the Bennett experiment looks headed for a cliff...

Sure. There's value for the fans to take notice of a 60+ loss team. I'm just not buying the mentoring angle hook, line and sinker.

By the way, the Garnett factor screwed me over last weekend at the Portland game!

We won free tickets, cheap faraway seats. I brought along my 8-year-old niece to the game with us. She got vertigo and started freaking out immediately. We had to leave. I asked the usher if we could stand anywhere or even find a good tv spot to watch it.

She told me to go to Guest Services and they'd find us something better (as the niece was in tears at the time.) I told Guest Services the situation and she said, "Sorry, full house." Where were the tears then, Ms. 8 year old crybaby!!!

That's when I noticed there is a real dearth of places to even watch the game on tv. I couldn't find any in the concourse. So we taped it on DVR and watched it at home.

Damn you KG! Without you, I'd have had my pick of 5,000 empty seats.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

You guys are right. Any run of the mill veteran will command the respect and attention of our young guys immediately. Are you kidding me? KG put this franchise on the map. How'd Thad do as a leader of this team? How about Mo? The fact is KG is on another level from any old veteran who's been in the league because he made this franchise and is a Hall of Famer. He got everyone of our team's respect immediately before even meeting them because they know his history both on this team and in the league. The development of our young players is the most important focus for this team moving forward and having run of the mill vets like Thad and Mo (who aren't good leaders) wasn't helping us win games nor assist in the development of our younger players. They literally just took up minutes on a bad team. How do we benefit from stat stuffers who don't help us win nor provide leadership to our young players? KG not playing doesn't help us win games, but your crazy if you think he can't teach our young guys how to play just because he isn't on the court with them all the time.

You can call it PR bullshit, but I think you are full of shit if you think KG is not going to have any impact on this team unless he plays more. I also think you are full of shit if you think run of the mill vets who give you stats with no wins and no leadership was a better option for this team moving forward when all they do is suck up development time while never being a good enough piece that would have helped us win anything significant down the road.

We didn't trade for KG to take us to the promised land as a guy playing 30 minutes a night. He is here to get this team's shit together moving forward and turn the culture of the franchise around from a bunch of losers to hopefully a winner. If you think trading an empty stat getting bench player for the culture change KG brings to this organization was a bad move then I can't help you. A mid-first round pick and Thad are not pieces that will turn this organization around. KG at least has a chance and already has the attention of our team to try to make it happen.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Khan, you need to break that shit up into paragraphs, but to your points.

The Wolves are barely on the map as it is. Why? Because of countless front office mistakes. Did KG turn the Nets into a winning franchise? Was it KG's mentorship and leadership that led Boston to a title or was it his play on the court?

The fact that Flip brought in these run of the mill vets you speak of shows that he's not thinking long term for this franchise? Does he really have pressure into making sure the Wolves are good long term, because he has about the safest job security you can possibly get.

You know what changes a culture into a winning one? Good players. Wiggins was going to be good wither he had KG screaming in his ear or Mark Madsen.