Love - Deal or No Deal by End Of Draft Night?

[Lipoli390]

I wrote a post a long time ago predicting that Flip would end up appointing himself head coach after going through a sham hiring process intended to soften Glen Taylor's resistance to giving Flip the dual role.

I see Flip running the same play from his playbook in the Love situation. Specifically, I don't think he's making a serious effort to trade Love. I think the rumors are dying down and players once purportedly available are suddenly off the table because GMs around the League are getting the message that Flip's not serious about dealing. I suspect that Flip believes his coaching will produce a level of team success that will entice Love to stay.

Flip knows he won't get a deal by sitting back and waiting for an offer he can't refuse. By not proactively working to facilitate a deal, Flip is making sure no deal happens. And just as he set himself up to become the team's head coach in spite of Glen's misgivings, he's setting himself up to keep Love while still being able to tell Glen and Love that he tried. Flip's strategy may pay off for the team. But I see it as myopic and way too risky.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

90% of the deals reportedly on the table for Love are crap and if the #1 pick isn't there that number is 100%. If Embiid drops to 6, then that number comes down to 1 good deal on the table, but pending that, most of the deals being reported are garbage for the Wolves. Look at how GS has been negotiating with us. Multiple writer's are all over twitter basically calling GS out for how poorly they have been negotiating with the Wolves. It is clearly not Flip and it is the other teams that aren't taking Flip seriously. They are trying to fleece us because they know Love is leaving and they are expecting Flip to be desperate for something instead of nothing.

Flip went after Joeger and got beat by a crazy owner who gave Joeger a better offer with a better team. He went after a couple college guys he thought would be good for the team's long-term outlook even though they were long-shots. There weren't any veteran coaches outside of SVG that were home runs and it took full control for SVG to get hired. I don't see how a Karl or Hollins are any better for this team than Flip. They are all mediocre with their own weaknesses otherwise they would have jobs right now. The only missed opportunity was Blatt. He would have been nice to take a chance on, but that is the only guy I would rather have over Flip that was attainable. Everyone else was mediocre and you basically just wanted someone else to be hired so they could direct the personnel their way because you have no faith in Flip who has yet to do anything worth the no faith attitude many on this board have. You've written him off before he has coached a game and before he has been given proper time to build the team the way he thinks will be successful.

He has multiple GM's trying to tell him their garbage is worth a superstar. Flip has done everything right so far, but he keeps getting ripped for some reason. I wouldn't take any of the deals that have actually been reported as offered. They all suck. I'd rather Flip keep Love and wait for a team to panic at the deadline or S&T him next offseason for essentially the same poor value he is getting offered now. I just don't buy anything you are selling Lip. He hasn't been given a serious offer and he shouldn't be going around all desperate to try to get rid of Love when Love is still under contract for another year. Once you get desperate, you get nothing of value offered in return. The attitude of keeping Love is the only leverage we have right now.

[foye2smith [enjin:6593248]]

I think it's a little of column A in what Lip said and a little of column B of what Khan said. If Flip is interested in trading Love I believe he could get it done for any of the 60 cents on the dollar deals floated around on the board short of the #1. That being said it truly feels like GSW is the only team calling Flip and seriously kicking the tires of a deal and like Khan mentioned the Warriors make out like bandits and they're still not interested.

This leaves me feeling between Flip's complacency and lack of other serious bidders there won't be a trade. Also I don't have confidence in Flip making a progressive move where multiple GMs have failed to do so before him. He'll fall in line with what has been done in the past. Howard (August), Paul (December), Anthony (February), and Williams (February)

I'm just tempering my expectations. Know we're not dealing with an "outside the box" organization. All the respect in the world if Flip actually pulls the trigger on a deal, but I'm not holding my breathe.

[worldK]

I say the only love deal that happens on draft day is a deal involving the cavs and number 1. If that's not on the table then no deal.

Flip will let this drag out to bait the warriors to up the offer or target players in sign and trade scenarios. I believe flip wont fall for the 6 &17 from boston or 16& 19 from chicago.

[A Friendly Flatulence [enjin:8907904]]

The optimist in me is hoping that a deal is struck for a relatively high draft pick #6 being the lowest possible "high pick" and some productive players/picks for Love. I'd rather not deal with this drama looming over our team all season. Not to mention cheer for Love who's character as a team leader or lack thereof has become even more apparent this offseason.

His I deserve to play for a winner sentiment is really off putting considering he's missed 27 & 64 games in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Yeah it sucks we didn't make the playoffs last year, but we lost a lot of close games that could have easily gone our way. We play in the West nobody said it was going to be easy to get to the playoffs, hell the 8th seed took the eventual Champs to 7 games for crying out loud!

A real leader would have said you know what we're close if we work hard this offseason, improve, make a good roster move or two, draft a contributor (sold bench player), and win more of the close games next year BAM we're in the playoffs and all bets are off. But no, we get the woe is me I've never played in the playoffs I deserve better. The truth is he probably does, the organization has made some mistakes, but that's life. Suck it up move forward, we were finally getting going in the right direction and he puts brakes on any momentum with his disposition this offseason.

It's going to take a cohesive team to compete in the West because it's so competitive. For our roster to compete for championships the whole (team) will have to be greater than the sum of its parts ala the Spurs (and they've got some great parts). And with Love's comments and malignant attitude he has severely diminished the possibility of that coming to fruition.

Here's to hoping for the best :thumb:

[Mstermisty [enjin:6864008]]

Voted deal. I think it's 75% something will get done by or on draft night. Or shortly after.

First off Love has inflicted damage on the team and franchise that I don't think you can easily sweep under the rug and move forward. If they keep Love, maybe a strong start next season will make things right, but is that gamble even worth taking?

The other reason I think he will be dealt is many teams will see this as the time to get him--carpe diem. Every day it gets closer to the season starting is another day for Love to change his tune and the Wolves to go ahead with plan "A." Players like Love simply do not come available very often, and right now, he is available.

I don't put any stock at all into the Golden State rumors, etc. The media is always looking for an attention grabbing headline (or even a tweet in the case of that puppet Broussard), so a lot of this stuff is blown out of proportion, or fed to the media on purpose to send a message (i.e. the Warriors won't trade Klay--I call BULLSHIT on this--all part of an endgame to get Love).

While I do think a deal will go down, no outcome will surprise me, because this is the Wolves. I've come to expect the worst but still hope for the best. The sun must shine on the Wolves' ass eventually, right?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Voted deal. This Utah/Cleveland rumor makes me lean trade 90% of the way.

UTA: No. 5, No. 23, Favors
CLE: No. 1, Jack

I feel like that has a strong chance to go down and when it does, Love's departure won't be far behind.

MIN: Love, Barea
CLE: No. 5, Waiters, Varejao, Thompson

That way Cleveland cashes in fully on their No. 1 pick. Getting Favors AND Love would be ridiculous. Does Love leave that team? Probably not. Hopefully we could flip Varejao for a pick. Maybe to Sacramento in a AV + 13 deal for 8 and an expiring.

No. 5, No. 8, Waiters and Thompson for Love, Barea and 13, essentially. Something like this could very well be in the works, right?

[A Friendly Flatulence [enjin:8907904]]

Cam let's have some fun assuming that trade (or something along those lines) happens on draft night. Hooray Flip!! Which prospects or prospect combination would you like to see most? Me personally I like the idea of Exum & Gordon. A lot of potential boom or bust, but we would get instantly more athletic which plays to Ricky's strengths more than Love/Martin. We would need to target shooting in FA, but we would be very entertaining to watch. Fannys in the seats with potential to become a contender if both reach their potential or get close.

This draft is the most up in the air I can remember in recent memory with only 1 "certainty" that the bucks will take whoever drops between Parker/Wiggins, with multiple teams trying to trade up to the #1 spot.

Hoping that Thursday is a sports day for the books World Cup match & NBA draft with potential Love trades abound. It could be Agony or Ecstasy or both. I'm getting giddy at the possibilities.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Assuming something similar to those trades happened...

1. UTA: Parker
2. MIL: Wiggins
3. PHI: Exum
4. ORL: Embiid
5. MIN: Randle
6. BOS: Gordon
7. LAL: Vonleh
8. MIN: Smart

I wanted to say McDermott so we had more shooting in the lineup, but I can't put him higher than Smart. Best player available there.

PG: Rubio/Smart
SG: Waiters/Martin
SF: Brewer/Muhammad/Budinger
PF: Randle/Thompson
C: Pekovic/Dieng

Suddenly we go from extremely weak in the backcourt to somewhat strong. Bench goes from awful to productive and youthful. Hypothetically, coming away from all this Love spotlight with Randle, Smart, Waiters and Thompson would be more than okay for me.

[repplile [enjin:8691898]]

Voted deal. This Utah/Cleveland rumor makes me lean trade 90% of the way.

UTA: No. 5, No. 23, Favors
CLE: No. 1, Jack

I feel like that has a strong chance to go down and when it does, Love's departure won't be far behind.

MIN: Love, Barea
CLE: No. 5, Waiters, Varejao, Thompson

That way Cleveland cashes in fully on their No. 1 pick. Getting Favors AND Love would be ridiculous. Does Love leave that team? Probably not. Hopefully we could flip Varejao for a pick. Maybe to Sacramento in a AV + 13 deal for 8 and an expiring.

No. 5, No. 8, Waiters and Thompson for Love, Barea and 13, essentially. Something like this could very well be in the works, right?

Cam I hadn't thought of the combo w/ the Jazz rumor but it makes a lot of sense. It would put us in position to pick up one of Embiid or Gordon also which for this franchise would be really great. I think I'd hold out for the #23 pick or a future pick as well since we're not shedding Martin but rather Barea whose salary expires in a year and who Cleveland looked to acquire at the deadline last year anyway. Cleveland's a team I could definitely see making a compelling offer.