ace wrote:I trust Ridnour more in running the offense if Ricky were to go down, but I think Shved will be just as if not more capable than Luke by midseason. JJ is the perfect type of guy to have on a playoff team. He's fiery, competitive, and he can take over a game. He will only play 12-16 minutes in a backup role, but he's a great guy to have when he gets hot. He's like Nate Robinson. If he's not doing well his limited minutes won't hurt you much, but if he catches fire he can win the game by himself.
I would rather have Nate. J.J. infuriates me to no end, and he scores a ton in games you shouldn't win, but he has lost us so many. It is just maddening because Adelman seems to love him.
JJ is a better role player than Nate. Look at his shooting numbers as a role player in Dallas. You can be pretty happy with those. Robinson is less on even more spectacular, but streaky and plays better with alot of minutes. He bottom line is Kahn signed JJ to be a bench player not a 6th man or sometimes starter on a injury demolished team. Put him back in a role controlled role and I think he would be even more effective than he has been. Lets be honest what like half of the minutes he has played in a Wolves uniform he was probably the most gifted scorer on the floor for the tea,m? And you wonder why he was trying to score and he looked ugly? Yeah. Also it seem to me like JJ is a guy you want on your team and Nate is kind of a headcase.
I am not saying we keep JJ at all costs and yeah because of the way the market has gone he is probably a million or so overpaid and its hard to see exactly where he would get minutes, but if we get stuck with him it could be a good thing. Ridnour seems like a guy thats easier to move and he may or may not fit better as a backup PG. Its really hard to say we don't really know what this team is going to be like next year for certain.
monsterpile wrote:JJ is a better role player than Nate. Look at his shooting numbers as a role player in Dallas. You can be pretty happy with those. Robinson is less on even more spectacular, but streaky and plays better with alot of minutes. He bottom line is Kahn signed JJ to be a bench player not a 6th man or sometimes starter on a injury demolished team. Put him back in a role controlled role and I think he would be even more effective than he has been. Lets be honest what like half of the minutes he has played in a Wolves uniform he was probably the most gifted scorer on the floor for the tea,m? And you wonder why he was trying to score and he looked ugly? Yeah. Also it seem to me like JJ is a guy you want on your team and Nate is kind of a headcase.
I am not saying we keep JJ at all costs and yeah because of the way the market has gone he is probably a million or so overpaid and its hard to see exactly where he would get minutes, but if we get stuck with him it could be a good thing. Ridnour seems like a guy thats easier to move and he may or may not fit better as a backup PG. Its really hard to say we don't really know what this team is going to be like next year for certain.
It is going to be impossible to shop J.J. and his contract. His contract is a killer, he just isn't worth it. If we were weak at the PG spot I would be fine, but he consistently dribbles the ball and all I think is, "Give the bleepin' ball to Ricky." Ridnour will not take over a game, (2-3 times a year he does, but that ain't much) but it is very, very rare for him to lose you a game by himself. It is an unknown thing for J.J. to have a middle ground game.
I think JJ has positive trade value, but I do think his contract is going to be harder to move since is over 4 million. I think there are a few teams wish they had him though. He might be a guy that gets moved around training camp time in a smaller move. FA and the offseason is far from over.
I agree with Geek and World on preferring to keep JJ. We just can't lose the only guy on our roster who can create his own shot off the dribble going to the basket and the only guy who has had as much as a whiff of championship caliber NBA basketball. And actually, he played well with Ricky two years ago. His $4.6 million deal is below the average salary and isn't a problem because it expires before we have to pay the big bucks to Ricky. It's much better than the $5 million per year for 4 years that Corey Brewer is apparently seeking. Even if we ended up signing Brewer for $4.0 million per year if it's a 4-year deal it would be a lot worse than JJ's $4.6 million for just two more years.
JJ will bring a better return if traded next year when he's in the last year of his deal. He's only getting $300,000 more than Luke this season, so keeping JJ rather than Luke has no significant financial impact on the Wolves. Even if we keep him in the final year of his deal, it won't hurt us financially very much because his contract expires before we have to ante up for Ricky's big deal.
lipoli390 wrote:I agree with Geek and World on preferring to keep JJ. We just can't lose the only guy on our roster who can create his own shot off the dribble going to the basket and the only guy who has had as much as a whiff of championship caliber NBA basketball. And actually, he played well with Ricky two years ago. His $4.6 million deal is below the average salary and isn't a problem because it expires before we have to pay the big bucks to Ricky. It's much better than the $5 million per year for 4 years that Corey Brewer is apparently seeking. Even if we ended up signing Brewer for $4.0 million per year if it's a 4-year deal it would be a lot worse than JJ's $4.6 million for just two more years.
This team has to stop giving out four year deals to every FA on the market. Guys like Ridnour, JJ, and even Martin are not important enough to risk a contract of that length. It really hamstrings a team in future years. Here we sit unable to dump Ridnour or JJ because we gave them something nobody else would, and overpaid as well.
