worldK wrote:A great get from a smart and championship caliber team.
It's worth noting they basically paid 3 future first round picks and a max contract to add him since they dumped iggy. Golden state paid a high price like many thought it would take to move Wiggins. Maybe adding Russell was smart but it came with a cost.
EDIT: It's obviously time for bed...clearly it was just 1 first round pick not 3.
This move just extended their window for a few more years. Any team with steph and klay are going to be contenders. Add a dlo who can play alongside them and is only 23. You still have green and looney as bigs. They still have their draft picks for the next few years. They are a great organization that players will want to play for. Better than losing durant for nothing.
Looney is a free agent and Green is next year. Still think they complete for the title but it's not all rosey going forward
Yes but they stay relevant and this gives them a chance. They wont have any cap space in the future anyways so its better not to lose durant for nothing and you get a piece back in russel that can help you now and bring positive value.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If that was your dream, you need to dream bigger. Wasn't going to make us a contender whatsoever.
See, the Wolves coulda made that deal and probably wound up worse than they were last year. It opens up holes they can't patchwork together.
The Western Conference is deadly. We're way closer to being the worst team in the west than the 8th seed. I love Towns but he can't do it alone.
Rosas in order to not look like a disaster has to ace every cheap signing he makes and bet the house that Culver at worst could be the third guy someday on a contender.
You're right, we are much closer to the bottom of the West. The mistake Rosas is making is thinking he can build this thing on the fly. The best he can do is keep us in the middle of the league given the hand he has been dealt. The problem is he hasn't figured that out yet.
Cool - I think Rosas was overly optimistic about what he could accomplish with the assets he had. He's certainly no front office genius as far as I can see. But to be fair, he inherited a tough hand from Thibodeau. To turn things around, he had to be willing to part with both Saric AND Covington. As I've said many time, he should have given up Covington to get Garland. I see Darius Garland as a budding Damian Lillard. I could be wrong. But Rosas was obviously high on him to the point where Garland was Rosas' first choice in trying to trade up. If you're really high on Garland, you don't hold back the 29-year old Covington coming off a knee problem that kept him out two months.
Again, you're right. He WAS dealt a terrible hand. But going so hard after Russell is the type of move a team like the Warriors should make, not the Wolves. I think he's lucky he failed.
Cool can I ask what player the wolves should go after that could down the road make us a contender. Do you think anyone on the wolves is worth keeping.
The only reason I ask is you hated the Butler deal because he was older and an injury history. Now you hate Russell and he is a 23 year old all star and KATs best friend.
We are really never going to have cap space in KAT time with with the wolves. I'm just curious what you think is the plan here or do we just start another rebuild and trade KAT
Time out Kek, I never said I hated Russell. He would have done fine here and probably kept KAT happy at the same time. I just don't believe he was a franchise altering piece for us. And let's be honest, we aren't getting out of the middle of the NBA without another franchise altering piece. I don't believe KAT is great enough to surround with
kekgeek1 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If that was your dream, you need to dream bigger. Wasn't going to make us a contender whatsoever.
See, the Wolves coulda made that deal and probably wound up worse than they were last year. It opens up holes they can't patchwork together.
The Western Conference is deadly. We're way closer to being the worst team in the west than the 8th seed. I love Towns but he can't do it alone.
Rosas in order to not look like a disaster has to ace every cheap signing he makes and bet the house that Culver at worst could be the third guy someday on a contender.
You're right, we are much closer to the bottom of the West. The mistake Rosas is making is thinking he can build this thing on the fly. The best he can do is keep us in the middle of the league given the hand he has been dealt. The problem is he hasn't figured that out yet.
Cool - I think Rosas was overly optimistic about what he could accomplish with the assets he had. He's certainly no front office genius as far as I can see. But to be fair, he inherited a tough hand from Thibodeau. To turn things around, he had to be willing to part with both Saric AND Covington. As I've said many time, he should have given up Covington to get Garland. I see Darius Garland as a budding Damian Lillard. I could be wrong. But Rosas was obviously high on him to the point where Garland was Rosas' first choice in trying to trade up. If you're really high on Garland, you don't hold back the 29-year old Covington coming off a knee problem that kept him out two months.
Again, you're right. He WAS dealt a terrible hand. But going so hard after Russell is the type of move a team like the Warriors should make, not the Wolves. I think he's lucky he failed.
Cool can I ask what player the wolves should go after that could down the road make us a contender. Do you think anyone on the wolves is worth keeping.
The only reason I ask is you hated the Butler deal because he was older and an injury history. Now you hate Russell and he is a 23 year old all star and KATs best friend.
We are really never going to have cap space in KAT time with with the wolves. I'm just curious what you think is the plan here or do we just start another rebuild and trade KAT
Time out Kek, I never said I hated Russell. I think he would have done fine here and probably kept KAT happy. I just don't see him as a franchise altering player for the Wolves, and let's be honest, we need another one to get out of the middle of the NBA. I think the plan should be to tear the thing down again and build it the right way. It hurts to say that and I'm sure almost no one is ready to hear it. Like I've said already tonight, I'd call Danny Ainge and see if we can help each other out. Memphis has a plethora of assets now, and even though they are going to suck this year, they at least have hope for the future. We are stuck in the mud with no real chance to improve enough to make the leap from also ran to contender.
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
I'm with you guys. If keeping Covington prevented us from getting Garland it was a huge mistake.
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
Duke13 wrote:Seriously, how is it possible to have to give up 3 picks to get off Iggy. I mean if your GS, wouldn't you call the Knicks and say hey, will you take 1st round pick for taking Iggy into your cap, this will save you from signing Bobby Portis, and you get a 1st round pick!!! If they balk, you give them 2 picks. You're still ahead! I don't get it. Btw is Kahn back in the NBA running the Knicks!!
It was one pick. 2024 it's top 4 protected if warriors get a top 4 pick it becomes top 1 protected in 2025 and unprotected in 2026.
You dont trade Covington to get rid of Teague cause Teague is an expiring and we are not competing this year.. If nobody wants him then you play out year and have the cap space. If it has to be done to get rid of Wiggins on the other hand.... We need to rid ourself of him in the worst way. Need to sit back and accumulate assets and wait again. Back to being depressed about this season.
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
I was cool trading cov also. I will say Cov value shouldn't diminish assuming no big injury again.
It's all hindsight now, I would like to have Cov if we got Russell but we didn't get Russell so I wish we traded cov. Hindsight there from me
crazysauce wrote:You dont trade Covington to get rid of Teague cause Teague is an expiring and we are not competing this year.. If nobody wants him then you play out year and have the cap space. If it has to be done to get rid of Wiggins on the other hand.... We need to rid ourself of him in the worst way. Need to sit back and accumulate assets and wait again. Back to being depressed about this season.
Yep. You only trade Cov for 1st round picks or a Beal type player (what I don't think is realistic)
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
Trading covington was the best bet to get a legit number 2 guy on the team. If covington is your one of you big 3 then you are looking at long term lottery team ceiling for your team.
Nothing against covington but he is the best trade asset we have now other than KAT. The question you have to ask yourself is if covington is a deal breaker in making a move for an all star or high upside guy. If he is a deal breaker for you then god bless the team your running.
