Q12543 wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:TheGrey08 wrote:Well that got a bit spicy and not for the reasons I'd expect. Yes, it can be a bit much when Abe gives people shit. That's where I'd expect some spiciness to come, not from Abe making the very good point that people and society have evolved while giving good examples of it. He wasn't pulling said examples into the argument, but merely pointing out that society evolves, and stops doing things it percevies as wrong, like beating kids (which I personally consider pretty much anything that leaves a clear marks on a kid, like bruises, welts, etc).
I'm fine with spanking personally, but have also seen examples of good kids who weren't spanked too. Another good point was that there are too many factors to say the problems we see are because of less kids being spanked for punishments.
Lastly, I do think Abe could reign it in a bit at times. Having a little go with people can be fun, but can quickly go south. If someone isn't enjoying friendly ribbing and banter then it's just not a good thing and I'd hope we would be able to both realize when we go overboard (and own it - we all mess up at times in some way) and also be able to just say hey I don't really care for this. I'm sure we all get fiery from time to time for one thing or another. It's great that we get passionate about things, but let's always try to remember, we're here for fun/enjoyment and when someone isn't it sucks.
To be fair...
1. I said politics on the basketball board was a TERRIBLE idea months ago.
2. I made a quip about a person getting worked up about politics and was told "fuck yourself." Then, I added a light-hearted gif (or three) and was called a "pussy"... and even challenged to a fight? Or something.
To be fair...
1. Did I know I was going to upset Cool? You bet. Apologies for screwing things up for other posters on that one. I could have gotten my point across in a different way(s) without pushing his buttons so much.
2. I didn't do anything wrong in the discussion with Carlos. So there's nothing to reign (sic) in there.
To be fair...
1. Hopefully this dumpster fire of a thread leads to even more dissatisfaction with politics on the basketball board and we never see a thread like this here again.
2. Politics/societal issues are such nebulous things. There's no true "right/wrong" answer most of the time. It's complicated. Confusing. Et al. But most of us can agree that the Timberwolves suck balls more than any NBA franchise has ever sucked balls. Let's get back to what we do best.
Abe, not disagreeing with anything you said above and I do feel like a couple folks came on a bit strong.
To be fair though (see what I did there?)......for someone who abhors political threads and off-topic discussion and constantly reminds the rest of us of this fact, you sure did engage a lot on this one! Perhaps you should follow your own advice (?). You can willingly choose to completely ignore anything with an "OT" in the subject line and blissfully have no clue how others feel, think, or ruminate on various hot topics of the day.
Very fair point. One I can't argue... Even I noticed and pointed out my hypocrisy in this thread...
Here's the rub. The first time I requested an OT thread be moved... eventually, the fraud election thread was moved and the board was cool. But here we are again. Another thread by the same poster. I had a strong suspicion that it wouldn't end with this one.
So, do I just ignore it? Or... ? Now that we're all well aware of the caustic natures of these threads... we saw more disingenuous posting, falsehoods and made-up stats in this thread than we seen in basketball threads. So...
1) What's the next step? Allow them on the basketball forum... or lock/remove them the moment they show up here?
2) I think this goes beyond a "just don't read them then" philosophy going forward. This WILL become an off-topic and political forum super fast if that's our strategy. I guarantee it. And that's totally fine if that's what the board wants. It's simply not what the board has been... it might be time to decide what it is moving forward and those who dig it can stay and those who don't will leave.
3) I think I brought up moderation before. But I think it's a logistical issue with the site that makes it problematic. Unlike a large site with a bunch of unknowns and trolls... "policing" this site would be super easy. Most of us are pretty friendly and legit (sans a few moments here and there. ahem.)
