Wolves vs Jazz part 2

[kekgeek]

They're going to need a lot of ping pong ball juju at the lottery! LOL

Learning how to win against teams that are trying to win is huge.

Lotto odds still have not changed with this win

[TAFKASP]

Lotto odds still have not changed with this win

No, but they're only a game back of Pistons, and two back of OKC who're falling like a rock! With 10 games to play, and playing like they are they're likely going to be in the 5th spot.

[Porckchop]

They're not gonna learn enough about winning to counteract the lack of talent they currently have. Compound that with the fact that the money saved from players unlikely to back next year won't buy them players that wanna join a 20 win team. They'd rather take pay cuts to join a contender. Players make money in other ways these days.

[kekgeek]

They're not gonna learn enough about winning to counteract the lack of talent they currently have. Compound that with the fact that the money saved from players unlikely to back next year won't buy them players that wanna join a 20 win team. They'd rather take pay cuts to join a contender. Players make money in other ways these days.

1st: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case picks 4 or 5: 59.9% Medium result 6 or later:0%
2nd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case Picks 4 or 5 39.8% Medium result 6 or later: 20.1%
3rd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 26.8% Medium result 6 or later: 33%
4th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 36.6% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 18.6% Medium result 6 or later: 44.7%
5th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 29.7% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 12.3% Medium result 6 or later: 57.9%
6th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick 29.5% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 10.1% Medium result 6 or later: 60.4%

Are we really going to care about tanking for 10%. Also tank for something that we are going to lose more times then not.

Of the players that played tonight Rubio/Ant/Okogie/Mcdaniels/Towns/Dlo/Naz/Hernangomez/Vandy/Jmac. The majority of them will be in the rotation again next year and 5 of them I would say are the Wolves core going forward.

Winning matters. Ant needs to learn what winning habits, we need to see if Dlo and Towns can be legit (8-6 this year). We need to not create losing habits that has killed this franchise for many years. Losing because of 10% means does not make sense to me. When the "best" case scenario with losing is we still lose 60% of the times

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Preach it Kekgeek!. These two wins against Utah are huge. These aren't throwaway wins against another tanking team but instead the team with the best freakin' record in the league that wants home court advantage in the West. These were gritty, defensive-oriented wins.This is how playoff ball looks like.

[Porckchop]

They're not gonna learn enough about winning to counteract the lack of talent they currently have. Compound that with the fact that the money saved from players unlikely to back next year won't buy them players that wanna join a 20 win team. They'd rather take pay cuts to join a contender. Players make money in other ways these days.

1st: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case picks 4 or 5: 59.9% Medium result 6 or later:0%
2nd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case Picks 4 or 5 39.8% Medium result 6 or later: 20.1%
3rd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 26.8% Medium result 6 or later: 33%
4th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 36.6% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 18.6% Medium result 6 or later: 44.7%
5th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 29.7% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 12.3% Medium result 6 or later: 57.9%
6th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick 29.5% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 10.1% Medium result 6 or later: 60.4%

Are we really going to care about tanking for 10%. Also tank for something that we are going to lose more times then not.

Of the players that played tonight Rubio/Ant/Okogie/Mcdaniels/Towns/Dlo/Naz/Hernangomez/Vandy/Jmac. The majority of them will be in the rotation again next year and 5 of them I would say are the Wolves core going forward.

Winning matters. Ant needs to learn what winning habits, we need to see if Dlo and Towns can be legit (8-6 this year). We need to not create losing habits that has killed this franchise for many years. Losing because of 10% means does not make sense to me. When the "best" case scenario with losing is we still lose 60% of the times

When it's hard to distinguish between tanking and trying to win games I tend to lean towards tanking to get a good player in the draft on the cheap. No matter the odds. The odds of this team being a contender next year are less likely than tanking and getting the the first pick. Tell me I'm wrong.

New Jersey, LA, Philly and Clippers have all had bad beats. I doubt they sweat it more then the teams that beat them celebrate it. How was D Mitchell tonight? Oh I forgot, the best player from either team didn't play either game. But no matter.

[thedoper]

Russell keeps making us win. What an ahole!!!

[kekgeek]

They're not gonna learn enough about winning to counteract the lack of talent they currently have. Compound that with the fact that the money saved from players unlikely to back next year won't buy them players that wanna join a 20 win team. They'd rather take pay cuts to join a contender. Players make money in other ways these days.

1st: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case picks 4 or 5: 59.9% Medium result 6 or later:0%
2nd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case Picks 4 or 5 39.8% Medium result 6 or later: 20.1%
3rd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 26.8% Medium result 6 or later: 33%
4th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 36.6% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 18.6% Medium result 6 or later: 44.7%
5th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 29.7% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 12.3% Medium result 6 or later: 57.9%
6th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick 29.5% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 10.1% Medium result 6 or later: 60.4%

Are we really going to care about tanking for 10%. Also tank for something that we are going to lose more times then not.

Of the players that played tonight Rubio/Ant/Okogie/Mcdaniels/Towns/Dlo/Naz/Hernangomez/Vandy/Jmac. The majority of them will be in the rotation again next year and 5 of them I would say are the Wolves core going forward.

Winning matters. Ant needs to learn what winning habits, we need to see if Dlo and Towns can be legit (8-6 this year). We need to not create losing habits that has killed this franchise for many years. Losing because of 10% means does not make sense to me. When the "best" case scenario with losing is we still lose 60% of the times

When it's hard to distinguish between tanking and trying to win games I tend to lean towards tanking to get a good player in the draft on the cheap. No matter the odds. The odds of this team being a contender next year are less likely than tanking and getting the the first pick. Tell me I'm wrong.

New Jersey, LA, Philly and Clippers have all had bad beats. I doubt they sweat it more then the teams that beat them celebrate it. How was D Mitchell tonight? Oh I forgot, the best player from either team didn't play either game. But no matter.

What are we arguing here. Yes good teams lose, that is a fact.

My main argument is the Wolves could have the worst record in the NBA and will lose their pick the majority of the time. That 10% better odds does nothing for me. If we were like the Rockets where they keep their pick top 4, and being the worst record is 100% keeping pick then I get tanking.

Also their is benefits of losing our pick. Cap saving, also can then trade our 1st round pick in 2022 and 23 what can't happen if they keep the pick

[Porckchop]

They're not gonna learn enough about winning to counteract the lack of talent they currently have. Compound that with the fact that the money saved from players unlikely to back next year won't buy them players that wanna join a 20 win team. They'd rather take pay cuts to join a contender. Players make money in other ways these days.

1st: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case picks 4 or 5: 59.9% Medium result 6 or later:0%
2nd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case Picks 4 or 5 39.8% Medium result 6 or later: 20.1%
3rd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 26.8% Medium result 6 or later: 33%
4th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 36.6% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 18.6% Medium result 6 or later: 44.7%
5th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 29.7% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 12.3% Medium result 6 or later: 57.9%
6th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick 29.5% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 10.1% Medium result 6 or later: 60.4%

Are we really going to care about tanking for 10%. Also tank for something that we are going to lose more times then not.

Of the players that played tonight Rubio/Ant/Okogie/Mcdaniels/Towns/Dlo/Naz/Hernangomez/Vandy/Jmac. The majority of them will be in the rotation again next year and 5 of them I would say are the Wolves core going forward.

Winning matters. Ant needs to learn what winning habits, we need to see if Dlo and Towns can be legit (8-6 this year). We need to not create losing habits that has killed this franchise for many years. Losing because of 10% means does not make sense to me. When the "best" case scenario with losing is we still lose 60% of the times

When it's hard to distinguish between tanking and trying to win games I tend to lean towards tanking to get a good player in the draft on the cheap. No matter the odds. The odds of this team being a contender next year are less likely than tanking and getting the the first pick. Tell me I'm wrong.

New Jersey, LA, Philly and Clippers have all had bad beats. I doubt they sweat it more then the teams that beat them celebrate it. How was D Mitchell tonight? Oh I forgot, the best player from either team didn't play either game. But no matter.

What are we arguing here. Yes good teams lose, that is a fact.

My main argument is the Wolves could have the worst record in the NBA and will lose their pick the majority of the time. That 10% better odds does nothing for me. If we were like the Rockets where they keep their pick top 4, and being the worst record is 100% keeping pick then I get tanking.

Also their is benefits of losing our pick. Cap saving, also can then trade our 1st round pick in 2022 and 23 what can't happen if they keep the pick

I've always thought that the best teams in the league with the best players had to concern themselves with cap savings. But your saying our next to last place team in the league should be strategically winning just enough games for cap purposes? Sounds like a winning organization to me!!

[kekgeek]

They're not gonna learn enough about winning to counteract the lack of talent they currently have. Compound that with the fact that the money saved from players unlikely to back next year won't buy them players that wanna join a 20 win team. They'd rather take pay cuts to join a contender. Players make money in other ways these days.

1st: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case picks 4 or 5: 59.9% Medium result 6 or later:0%
2nd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst case Picks 4 or 5 39.8% Medium result 6 or later: 20.1%
3rd: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 40.1% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 26.8% Medium result 6 or later: 33%
4th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 36.6% Worst Case Picks 4 or 5 18.6% Medium result 6 or later: 44.7%
5th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick: 29.7% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 12.3% Medium result 6 or later: 57.9%
6th: Best Case Getting top 3 pick 29.5% Worst Case Pick 4 or 5 10.1% Medium result 6 or later: 60.4%

Are we really going to care about tanking for 10%. Also tank for something that we are going to lose more times then not.

Of the players that played tonight Rubio/Ant/Okogie/Mcdaniels/Towns/Dlo/Naz/Hernangomez/Vandy/Jmac. The majority of them will be in the rotation again next year and 5 of them I would say are the Wolves core going forward.

Winning matters. Ant needs to learn what winning habits, we need to see if Dlo and Towns can be legit (8-6 this year). We need to not create losing habits that has killed this franchise for many years. Losing because of 10% means does not make sense to me. When the "best" case scenario with losing is we still lose 60% of the times

When it's hard to distinguish between tanking and trying to win games I tend to lean towards tanking to get a good player in the draft on the cheap. No matter the odds. The odds of this team being a contender next year are less likely than tanking and getting the the first pick. Tell me I'm wrong.

New Jersey, LA, Philly and Clippers have all had bad beats. I doubt they sweat it more then the teams that beat them celebrate it. How was D Mitchell tonight? Oh I forgot, the best player from either team didn't play either game. But no matter.

What are we arguing here. Yes good teams lose, that is a fact.

My main argument is the Wolves could have the worst record in the NBA and will lose their pick the majority of the time. That 10% better odds does nothing for me. If we were like the Rockets where they keep their pick top 4, and being the worst record is 100% keeping pick then I get tanking.

Also their is benefits of losing our pick. Cap saving, also can then trade our 1st round pick in 2022 and 23 what can't happen if they keep the pick

I've always thought that the best teams in the league with the best players had to concern themselves with cap savings. But your saying our next to last place team in the league should be strategically winning just enough games for cap purposes? Sounds like a winning organization to me!!

You are not understanding me. You want to purposely lose. I want to try and win and let the chips fall where they will. I'm cool if we keep our pick but not at the expense of trying to win. I'm just saying there are some positives if the wolves do lose their pick.