The morning after - 2020 Draft Day

[bleedspeed]

I got up and still can't believe Rubio is back. He is one of my favorite players. The problem is I don't see his role now besides culture builder at this point. He is a winner and that should help younger guys.

This draft is strange to me as a fan. We had the 1st pick, but I have almost zero hope or excitement. Time will tell. It was interesting when they asked the ESPN panel who could be a Superstar Top 10 type player in the league from this draft. Nobody would even throw out a name. It found that interesting in itself.

Tyrese Haliburton is the guy I think will out perform his draft spot.

[Coolbreeze44]

On this morning after, I feel I need to check the garage to make sure my car is still there.

[TheFuture]

On this morning after, I feel I need to check the garage to make sure my car is still there.

Hahahaha. Thanks for reminding me.

[thedoper]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

[Lipoli390]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

I think there were certain prospects who could have helped right away in certain respects - particularly 3-point shooting and perhaps defensively. Tyler Herro helped Miami as a rookie - and not just a little bit. Otherwise, I agree with you that the moves on the margin were the ones that could potentially have the most immediate impact and Rosas flopped on those. I say that as a guy who loves Ricky Rubio. I like the playmaking and competitiveness he brings. But I don't see him as a significant needle-mover and I agree that he's way overpaid at $17+ million for two more years relative to what he brings. No doubt the clock on Rosas, KAT and DLO is moving faster now than before last night's draft. I think it's inevitable that all three will be gone two years from now if not sooner.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

I think there were certain prospects who could have helped right away in certain respects - particularly 3-point shooting and perhaps defensively. Tyler Herro helped Miami as a rookie - and not just a little bit. Otherwise, I agree with you that the moves on the margin were the ones that could potentially have the most immediate impact and Rosas flopped on those. I say that as a guy who loves Ricky Rubio. I like the playmaking and competitiveness he brings. But I don't see him as a significant needle-mover and I agree that he's way overpaid at $17+ million for two more years relative to what he brings. No doubt the clock on Rosas, KAT and DLO is moving faster now than before last night's draft. I think it's inevitable that all three will be gone two years from now if not sooner.

And what about the franchise?

Let's say (god forbid) Edwards is a flop. Or, the team doesn't gel around the three key players. And they go 28 - 44. And there is no cavalry coming next year. So we go into 2021 with essentially the same team. The team goes 34 - 48. Towns wants out -- and by that point, who could blame him even if he's part of the problem. The team (and new regime) comes in with a promise of hope campaign. Towns is traded. Russell is gone.

Meanwhile, the team has a new owner. And there are 9,000 fans in the arena.

Yes. This is a melodramatic take. But how much longer does an apathetic fanbase continue to support this team through another re-re-rebuild? And how much patience does the new owner have in making it work here?




[Note: To clarify... I'm not blaming the fans at all. But that's one way this conceivably plays out.]

[thedoper]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

I think there were certain prospects who could have helped right away in certain respects - particularly 3-point shooting and perhaps defensively. Tyler Herro helped Miami as a rookie - and not just a little bit. Otherwise, I agree with you that the moves on the margin were the ones that could potentially have the most immediate impact and Rosas flopped on those. I say that as a guy who loves Ricky Rubio. I like the playmaking and competitiveness he brings. But I don't see him as a significant needle-mover and I agree that he's way overpaid at $17+ million for two more years relative to what he brings. No doubt the clock on Rosas, KAT and DLO is moving faster now than before last night's draft. I think it's inevitable that all three will be gone two years from now if not sooner.

There are rookies who will do things in flashes for sure. Hell I bet Edwards has a few games this year that he'll score 40 and get us a W. But big picture his shitty games are going to be tough for us. I think Achiuwa would have immediately given some hustle and rebounding. Rubio for 8 mil would have been great, but he's never really been viewed or paid realisitically in my mind. Ultimately our big (or mle big) move has to be depth in the front court. I'm not sure what big realistically can make a positive impact on this team for the MLE. Rosas is a dealmaker so I'm curious what he has in mind.

[Lipoli390]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

I think there were certain prospects who could have helped right away in certain respects - particularly 3-point shooting and perhaps defensively. Tyler Herro helped Miami as a rookie - and not just a little bit. Otherwise, I agree with you that the moves on the margin were the ones that could potentially have the most immediate impact and Rosas flopped on those. I say that as a guy who loves Ricky Rubio. I like the playmaking and competitiveness he brings. But I don't see him as a significant needle-mover and I agree that he's way overpaid at $17+ million for two more years relative to what he brings. No doubt the clock on Rosas, KAT and DLO is moving faster now than before last night's draft. I think it's inevitable that all three will be gone two years from now if not sooner.

There are rookies who will do things in flashes for sure. Hell I bet Edwards has a few games this year that he'll score 40 and get us a W. But big picture his shitty games are going to be tough for us. I think Achiuwa would have immediately given some hustle and rebounding. Rubio for 8 mil would have been great, but he's never really been viewed or paid realisitically in my mind. Ultimately our big (or mle big) move has to be depth in the front court. I'm not sure what big realistically can make a positive impact on this team for the MLE. Rosas is a dealmaker so I'm curious what he has in mind.

I agree with you completely, Doper. There were a number of players in this draft, like Achiuwa, who had certain skills that could have helped the team overall next season. I think Haliburton, Saddiq Bey and Vassell were several others in that vein. Rosas ended up with no one last night who can help the team next season, except for Ricky Rubio at a ridiculously high price for what he brings and the role he'll play. I don't see an MLE player out there who we can realistically get and then count on to be a difference maker.

Yes, Rosas is a deal maker, but he's not a very good one in my view.

[KG4Ever]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

I think there were certain prospects who could have helped right away in certain respects - particularly 3-point shooting and perhaps defensively. Tyler Herro helped Miami as a rookie - and not just a little bit. Otherwise, I agree with you that the moves on the margin were the ones that could potentially have the most immediate impact and Rosas flopped on those. I say that as a guy who loves Ricky Rubio. I like the playmaking and competitiveness he brings. But I don't see him as a significant needle-mover and I agree that he's way overpaid at $17+ million for two more years relative to what he brings. No doubt the clock on Rosas, KAT and DLO is moving faster now than before last night's draft. I think it's inevitable that all three will be gone two years from now if not sooner.

There are rookies who will do things in flashes for sure. Hell I bet Edwards has a few games this year that he'll score 40 and get us a W. But big picture his shitty games are going to be tough for us. I think Achiuwa would have immediately given some hustle and rebounding. Rubio for 8 mil would have been great, but he's never really been viewed or paid realisitically in my mind. Ultimately our big (or mle big) move has to be depth in the front court. I'm not sure what big realistically can make a positive impact on this team for the MLE. Rosas is a dealmaker so I'm curious what he has in mind.

If Rubio is a starter, he's on a cheap deal, but if he isn't starting or getting close to 30 minutes, then his deal looks less attractive. Keep in mind that Rubio still making a lot less than DLO and I think DLO has the worst contract on the team unless he drastically improves his on court impact.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The draft was never going to make our team immediately better. The moves on the margins are what is going to do it. Bringing Rubio back way overpaid at 17 million per is not going to get us there. The clock on Rosas, KAT, and DLo leaving has started moving a bit faster. Rosas still has time to make more moves.

I think there were certain prospects who could have helped right away in certain respects - particularly 3-point shooting and perhaps defensively. Tyler Herro helped Miami as a rookie - and not just a little bit. Otherwise, I agree with you that the moves on the margin were the ones that could potentially have the most immediate impact and Rosas flopped on those. I say that as a guy who loves Ricky Rubio. I like the playmaking and competitiveness he brings. But I don't see him as a significant needle-mover and I agree that he's way overpaid at $17+ million for two more years relative to what he brings. No doubt the clock on Rosas, KAT and DLO is moving faster now than before last night's draft. I think it's inevitable that all three will be gone two years from now if not sooner.

There are rookies who will do things in flashes for sure. Hell I bet Edwards has a few games this year that he'll score 40 and get us a W. But big picture his shitty games are going to be tough for us. I think Achiuwa would have immediately given some hustle and rebounding. Rubio for 8 mil would have been great, but he's never really been viewed or paid realisitically in my mind. Ultimately our big (or mle big) move has to be depth in the front court. I'm not sure what big realistically can make a positive impact on this team for the MLE. Rosas is a dealmaker so I'm curious what he has in mind.

If Rubio is a starter, he's on a cheap deal, but if he isn't getting starting or getting close to 30 minutes, then his deal looks less attractive. Keep in mind that Rubio still making a lot less than DLO and I think DLO has the worst contract on the team unless he drastically improves his on court impact.

I believe Rubio is 17th in the league for PG salary... right below Eric Bledsoe.

For what it's worth... as much as I like Rubio... I think I like Bledsoe more for this team. And he was just traded with (5) draft picks for Jrue Holiday.