thedoper wrote:I dont know if I trust Saunders to teach Edwards to refine his shot selection or if he could teach Wiseman to read defenses. Any of these prospects seem like projects. Ball may get by on creativity for a while before either of the other 2 come around. Im afraid the play with any of these rookies is a longer term project that will likely take more time than we will be happy with as fans.
I'm willing to wait if the player we draft has the attributes essential for a player to improve and reach his potential - namely a love of the game, intense competitive drive, strong work ethic and good feel for the game. I have doubts about whether any of the top three have all these attributes. I'm certain that Edwards and Ball don't.
What does that mean for the Wolves? It means they should trade down and target any one of the following: Okongwu, Haliburton, Vassell, Advija, Patrick Williams, or Okoro. All of those prospects appear to be fierce competitors with terrific work ethics and high basketball IQs.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, this was good. Schmitz seems to be the face of ESPN when it comes to the draft lately, as I almost never see or hear Givony. I wonder if he's just not as camera-friendly and been relegated to the background more (?).
But yeah, Smitty is definitely bullish on Edwards based on his elite physical profile and talent.It's really too bad he didn't play for a program like Kentucky or Duke, where surely they would not have indulged his worst tendencies in the way Georgia did.
Rosas and Saunders will need to believe that somehow they can provide him the right situation to grow and thrive in. The road is littered with a lot of former GMs that thought they could change a highly talented prospects' natural tendencies when it comes to decision making and attitude.
Yes, Schmitz is clearly blown away by Edwards' talent. But the really telling part of the interview was Schmitz' comment that Edwards will be, in his words, "a good test case" to see whether a prospect can become a great player without a high competitive drive or good feel for the game. We've already had plenty of test cases and the results are in. No matter how talented, a prospect who lacks both a good feel for the game and a super-competitive drive doesn't develop into a great or even a very good player. Often, they become journeymen and sometimes end up out of the League. Edwards is a guy who disappears from games a lot, shows minimal interest in playing defense, takes terrible shots, and fails to use his incredible physical gifts to drive the lane. He's also a guy who gets up at 10 a.m. and who doesn't watch or love the game he's being drafted to play at the highest level. Yes, Edwards is incredibly gifted physically. Unfortunately, he is one big red flag and the Rosas will be making a colossal mistake if he drafts and keeps him.
This morning as I'm laying in bed not having to get up as early as it's my first day working from home at my job. I was thinking about Edwards getting up at 10am and I thought...hey wait a minute there COULD actually be a rational reason to do that. In season what time do you think a typical NBA player goes to bed? Midnight? 2am? 4am? I think we all agree for most people sleep is incredibly important so if I had a job where I didn't get to bed till early in the morning I wouldn't get up to work out till much later in the morning. It doesn't make sense to get up early in the morning if you want to plan for a full night sleep. Anthony Edwards is a freaking genius. Lol I'm kinda serious kinda joking but I do think getting up later is worth considering. The reality is that it has to be difficult to get your sleep as an NBA player it's just one of the things that would be difficult to adjust to with a changing schedule and stress of the job etc. People do have different sleep cycles and rhythms. Different people need different levels of sleep to perform well. Anywho just something to think about. I'm not really trying to convince anyone that Edwards is the guy but it's possible getting up at 10am may have some merit and science behind it! :)
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, this was good. Schmitz seems to be the face of ESPN when it comes to the draft lately, as I almost never see or hear Givony. I wonder if he's just not as camera-friendly and been relegated to the background more (?).
But yeah, Smitty is definitely bullish on Edwards based on his elite physical profile and talent.It's really too bad he didn't play for a program like Kentucky or Duke, where surely they would not have indulged his worst tendencies in the way Georgia did.
Rosas and Saunders will need to believe that somehow they can provide him the right situation to grow and thrive in. The road is littered with a lot of former GMs that thought they could change a highly talented prospects' natural tendencies when it comes to decision making and attitude.
Yes, Schmitz is clearly blown away by Edwards' talent. But the really telling part of the interview was Schmitz' comment that Edwards will be, in his words, "a good test case" to see whether a prospect can become a great player without a high competitive drive or good feel for the game. We've already had plenty of test cases and the results are in. No matter how talented, a prospect who lacks both a good feel for the game and a super-competitive drive doesn't develop into a great or even a very good player. Often, they become journeymen and sometimes end up out of the League. Edwards is a guy who disappears from games a lot, shows minimal interest in playing defense, takes terrible shots, and fails to use his incredible physical gifts to drive the lane. He's also a guy who gets up at 10 a.m. and who doesn't watch or love the game he's being drafted to play at the highest level. Yes, Edwards is incredibly gifted physically. Unfortunately, he is one big red flag and the Rosas will be making a colossal mistake if he drafts and keeps him.
This morning as I'm laying in bed not having to get up as early as it's my first day working from home at my job. I was thinking about Edwards getting up at 10am and I thought...hey wait a minute there COULD actually be a rational reason to do that. In season what time do you think a typical NBA player goes to bed? Midnight? 2am? 4am? I think we all agree for most people sleep is incredibly important so if I had a job where I didn't get to bed till early in the morning I wouldn't get up to work out till much later in the morning. It doesn't make sense to get up early in the morning if you want to plan for a full night sleep. Anthony Edwards is a freaking genius. Lol I'm kinda serious kinda joking but I do think getting up later is worth considering. The reality is that it has to be difficult to get your sleep as an NBA player it's just one of the things that would be difficult to adjust to with a changing schedule and stress of the job etc. People do have different sleep cycles and rhythms. Different people need different levels of sleep to perform well. Anywho just something to think about. I'm not really trying to convince anyone that Edwards is the guy but it's possible getting up at 10am may have some merit and science behind it! :)
Lol. Actually, there might actually be something to your idea if Edwards were already an NBA players in the middle of the season. Here's another idea. Maybe he goes to the gym at Midnight and works out until 4 a.m. In that case, waking up at 10:00 might be too early. :)
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, this was good. Schmitz seems to be the face of ESPN when it comes to the draft lately, as I almost never see or hear Givony. I wonder if he's just not as camera-friendly and been relegated to the background more (?).
But yeah, Smitty is definitely bullish on Edwards based on his elite physical profile and talent.It's really too bad he didn't play for a program like Kentucky or Duke, where surely they would not have indulged his worst tendencies in the way Georgia did.
Rosas and Saunders will need to believe that somehow they can provide him the right situation to grow and thrive in. The road is littered with a lot of former GMs that thought they could change a highly talented prospects' natural tendencies when it comes to decision making and attitude.
Yes, Schmitz is clearly blown away by Edwards' talent. But the really telling part of the interview was Schmitz' comment that Edwards will be, in his words, "a good test case" to see whether a prospect can become a great player without a high competitive drive or good feel for the game. We've already had plenty of test cases and the results are in. No matter how talented, a prospect who lacks both a good feel for the game and a super-competitive drive doesn't develop into a great or even a very good player. Often, they become journeymen and sometimes end up out of the League. Edwards is a guy who disappears from games a lot, shows minimal interest in playing defense, takes terrible shots, and fails to use his incredible physical gifts to drive the lane. He's also a guy who gets up at 10 a.m. and who doesn't watch or love the game he's being drafted to play at the highest level. Yes, Edwards is incredibly gifted physically. Unfortunately, he is one big red flag and the Rosas will be making a colossal mistake if he drafts and keeps him.
This morning as I'm laying in bed not having to get up as early as it's my first day working from home at my job. I was thinking about Edwards getting up at 10am and I thought...hey wait a minute there COULD actually be a rational reason to do that. In season what time do you think a typical NBA player goes to bed? Midnight? 2am? 4am? I think we all agree for most people sleep is incredibly important so if I had a job where I didn't get to bed till early in the morning I wouldn't get up to work out till much later in the morning. It doesn't make sense to get up early in the morning if you want to plan for a full night sleep. Anthony Edwards is a freaking genius. Lol I'm kinda serious kinda joking but I do think getting up later is worth considering. The reality is that it has to be difficult to get your sleep as an NBA player it's just one of the things that would be difficult to adjust to with a changing schedule and stress of the job etc. People do have different sleep cycles and rhythms. Different people need different levels of sleep to perform well. Anywho just something to think about. I'm not really trying to convince anyone that Edwards is the guy but it's possible getting up at 10am may have some merit and science behind it! :)
Lol. Actually, there might actually be something to your idea if Edwards were already an NBA players in the middle of the season. Here's another idea. Maybe he goes to the gym at Midnight and works out until 4 a.m. In that case, waking up at 10:00 might be too early. :)
Yeah see you get it Lip! Lol
But seriously Lip as someone who struggles to get sleep partly because of ADHD I would want to get in a routine as much as possible. The last couple years I've found that it's much easier for me to actually get to sleep than it used to be if I actually don't do things that keep me from sleeping. That hasn't always been the case. Its incredibly hard to turn my mind off. My sister in law has an even harder time sleeping. I have an uncle who I think sleeps better now but for 30+ years he said he RARELY slept for more than 45 mins straight before waking up and then after a while going back to sleep. I can't imagine having to function that way. For one...a lot of the time I would never be able to go back to sleep!
Back to Edwards...the book on him is he needs structure and guidance etc which is concerning but again maybe this is a sign of something that isn't as concerning as "oh no...this guy doesn't get up till 10am?!?" If you are like my wife that can fall asleep at the drop of a hat you may not see why this type of thing is a big deal so just sharing my thoughts and experiences. And again it's more about an open mind about people than making an argument for Anthony Edwards as a guy the Wolves or another team should pick.
A lot of NBA guys aren't waking up at the crack of dawn during the season. Your body needs to be ready to peak at 7-8-9 pm where most people working 9-5's are winding down that part of the day. It's also why they hang out so late at night even though that's when they can get into the most trouble. At least from what I've heard on NBA podcasts they typically stay up late and wake up late during the season so waking up at 10am shouldn't be a problem as long as he's putting in the same work across the day. If the other guys are putting in an extra 2-4 hours though then it's a problem.
Camden0916 wrote:Does anyone really think Ryan Saunders is going to be the guy that imposes structure on the players on the roster? Really? He's still Flip's son -- the cool, fun player development coach that you can bullshit with like he's one of the boys. If the Wolves are going to rewire some of these guys it isn't going to happen with Saunders as coach.
Agreed. He needed/needs 5-10 more years as an assistant. Glen just buckled due to Flip's death and the Thibs fiasco. He went back to the country club. I really wish he would demote Saunders and hire Kenny Atkinson.
