Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
monsterpile wrote:
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
Maybe. But let's be careful of small sample sizes. After all... Bolmaro is a career 27.7% three point shooter.
The small sample size goes both ways right? I think most people are down on this pick partly because they don't know anything about Bolmaro. I thinking I remember one tweet about him from a few months ago (kinda shocking since I've not been on been on Twitter all that much in 2020) but generally I hadn't either.
Tactical unit wrote:Just lighting assets on fire, Spellman has positive value and we add a 2nd for the ability to clear a roster spot. NY must love MN, first we give them #33 to move up two spots to draft a player that wasn't going to be drafted in the next two spots. Now this, man this is starting to get dumb!
You cant guarantee Bolmaro would be there. So if that is your guy, you go get him.
I am not a huge fan of either of our later picks, but I'm not going to sweat over that 2nd round pick if those players are who Rosas was targeting. At least they weren't sold for the great prospect "Cash Considerations", who the billionaire Glen always loves.
#33 was basically part of a 3 team trade with OKC and the Knicks and the Knicks didn't even keep the pick it went to the Clippers.
Bolmaro has value as a guy that can be picked now doesn't take up a roster spot or any cap space. In addition he isn't just stashed over in Europe somewhere he is being developed to some extent by one of the best teams in international basketball. So basically you are picking a talented guy and having someone else develop him without having to pay anything. The Wolves already have enough young talent even I have to admit another draft pick or 2 would be too much and I LOVE drafting lots of guys.
As for trading away 2nd rounders...Naz Reid and McLaughlin are more promising than all but a couple guys this franchise has drafted in the 2nd round for at least 10 years. Maybe they feel like they can do that again.
The draft-and-stash has merit for the Wolves if we were looking at adding 3 or 4 rookies.
OR...
What about using the draft capital to move up and draft two rookies with the potential to help now? This team sucks balls. Instead of hoping we'll get better eventually... and one of the stash guys figures it out against the odds... isn't there merit in incremental improvement?
I know Rosas has come out and stated his philosophy about incremental improvement being the wrong angle... personally... FOR THIS FRANCHISE AT THIS TIME... I think he's wrong.
You wanted them to draft more rookies to help the team now?!? Idk if you noticed but in this 3 team deal they used some draft capital to get this guy named Rubio who should help them win NOW. Maybe you have heard of him. lol
kekgeek1 wrote:I think Davis just knows his role. He is a great rebounder, screener, competes on D and is known as a great teammate.
Also Russell and Davis were over +8 per 100 possessions in over 1k possessions when they played together with the Nets.
Davis won't kill you and can help in areas where you are weak. Not a huge move but a move on the margins that can help you win games
Agreed, he gives us a competent vet in the frontcourt that can fill in at Center as needed. I'm hoping Reid progresses and takes most of those minutes behind KAT, just because he has skills that Ed Davis has never shown (shooting and passing), but he needs to come to camp in shape and defend well.
I do think he was also brought in for the "mentoring" angle, something we used to joke about in the past due to how ineffectual its been for this franchise. No downside to it, but "great lockerroom presence" never seems to translate to better shooting and better defense.
Yep. I've never put much stock in "locker room presence." But Davis should be a slight net positive to the team if he plays. I just don't think he adds much of anything if he's just sitting on the bench and talking to guys in the locker room.
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
monsterpile wrote:
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
Maybe. But let's be careful of small sample sizes. After all... Bolmaro is a career 27.7% three point shooter.
The small sample size goes both ways right? I think most people are down on this pick partly because they don't know anything about Bolmaro. I thinking I remember one tweet about him from a few months ago (kinda shocking since I've not been on been on Twitter all that much in 2020) but generally I hadn't either.
Tactical unit wrote:Just lighting assets on fire, Spellman has positive value and we add a 2nd for the ability to clear a roster spot. NY must love MN, first we give them #33 to move up two spots to draft a player that wasn't going to be drafted in the next two spots. Now this, man this is starting to get dumb!
You cant guarantee Bolmaro would be there. So if that is your guy, you go get him.
I am not a huge fan of either of our later picks, but I'm not going to sweat over that 2nd round pick if those players are who Rosas was targeting. At least they weren't sold for the great prospect "Cash Considerations", who the billionaire Glen always loves.
#33 was basically part of a 3 team trade with OKC and the Knicks and the Knicks didn't even keep the pick it went to the Clippers.
Bolmaro has value as a guy that can be picked now doesn't take up a roster spot or any cap space. In addition he isn't just stashed over in Europe somewhere he is being developed to some extent by one of the best teams in international basketball. So basically you are picking a talented guy and having someone else develop him without having to pay anything. The Wolves already have enough young talent even I have to admit another draft pick or 2 would be too much and I LOVE drafting lots of guys.
As for trading away 2nd rounders...Naz Reid and McLaughlin are more promising than all but a couple guys this franchise has drafted in the 2nd round for at least 10 years. Maybe they feel like they can do that again.
The draft-and-stash has merit for the Wolves if we were looking at adding 3 or 4 rookies.
OR...
What about using the draft capital to move up and draft two rookies with the potential to help now? This team sucks balls. Instead of hoping we'll get better eventually... and one of the stash guys figures it out against the odds... isn't there merit in incremental improvement?
I know Rosas has come out and stated his philosophy about incremental improvement being the wrong angle... personally... FOR THIS FRANCHISE AT THIS TIME... I think he's wrong.
You wanted them to draft more rookies to help the team now?!? Idk if you noticed but in this 3 team deal they used some draft capital to get this guy named Rubio who should help them win NOW. Maybe you have heard of him. lol
Actually, it would be fewer rookies. Only 2.
And I've stated I'm on board with the Rubio move even if I'm confused in how he'll be used. Those are the types of moves I was hoping for.
For example, trading down from #1, getting a starter AND a decent rookie. Rosas went for the HR swing with each of his three rookies. If even one of them pans out, it might be the better approach. We'll be waiting years to find out though.
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
monsterpile wrote:
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
Maybe. But let's be careful of small sample sizes. After all... Bolmaro is a career 27.7% three point shooter.
And he's a career 32.1% FG shooter in combined regular season and tournament play. That's epically bad. But to be fair, those numbers reflect very limited minutes and shot attempts. Bottom line is that he hasn't shown anything statistically to suggest he'll be an NBA player, much less a good one. With him, it's all "eye test." If he has NBA potential, it will be a long time coming and it will be a year or more before he gets here. In my view there were clearly better picks the Wolves could have made based on far better and more complete data - players with the body, skills an availability to help out sooner rather than later. They could have had those players without giving away another draft asset. Or they could have traded up for Precious Achiuwa.
If Bolmaro turns into the next Manu, then I'll be the first to sing the praises of Rosas and his front office team. But in my view, it was a poor bet based on very limited data and there were much better bets with more immediate benefits they should have made.
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
monsterpile wrote:
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
Maybe. But let's be careful of small sample sizes. After all... Bolmaro is a career 27.7% three point shooter.
And he's a career 32.1% FG shooter in combined regular season and tournament play. That's epically bad. But to be fair, those numbers reflect very limited minutes and shot attempts. Bottom line is that he hasn't shown anything statistically to suggest he'll be an NBA player, much less a good one. With him, it's all "eye test." If he has NBA potential, it will be a long time coming and it will be a year or more before he gets here. In my view there were clearly better picks the Wolves could have made based on far better and more complete data - players with the body, skills an availability to help out sooner rather than later. They could have had those players without giving away another draft asset. Or they could have traded up for Precious Achiuwa.
If Bolmaro turns into the next Manu, then I'll be the first to sing the praises of Rosas and his front office team. But in my view, it was a poor bet based on very limited data and there were much better bets with more immediate benefits they should have made.
Basically it comes down to whether a perennially shitty team is the best type of team to take swings at stashed projects...
As a fan of a perennially shitty team, I'd rather see help of any kind now vs. possible help years down the line.
But I'm sure others disagree... and I acknowledge that the "what have we got to lose" take might be more popular among fans.
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
monsterpile wrote:
Tactical unit wrote:Why not sell of Spellman or Evans in the OKC or NYN deal during the draft? I think they flat out are just wasting assets. I doubt either team was going to take Bolmaro and for what he has shown to date as a shooter you just say darn or once they do draft him then you pony up assets to get him. I don't hate Bolmaro or E. Davis as players, to me it just seems like we are wasting assets. Good teams trade 2nd's for future picks when they don't need them. Spellman's shooting and athleticism makes me think he was more of a positive value asset than not. Just because you find guys undrafted doesn't make it ok to just burn 2nd's. This trade won't matter much in the end just don't like it.
Had you ever heard of Bolmaro before draft? Did you know he is a career 86% FT shooter? Did you know he was on the Nike Hoops summit World team that easily beat USA who had a supposed stacked team? Bolmaro took 2 shots in that game and made them both and they were 3 pointers. =) Mike Schmitz said Bolmaro is a guy he thinks people will look back and say how did he go that low.
Maybe. But let's be careful of small sample sizes. After all... Bolmaro is a career 27.7% three point shooter.
And he's a career 32.1% FG shooter in combined regular season and tournament play. That's epically bad. But to be fair, those numbers reflect very limited minutes and shot attempts. Bottom line is that he hasn't shown anything statistically to suggest he'll be an NBA player, much less a good one. With him, it's all "eye test." If he has NBA potential, it will be a long time coming and it will be a year or more before he gets here. In my view there were clearly better picks the Wolves could have made based on far better and more complete data - players with the body, skills an availability to help out sooner rather than later. They could have had those players without giving away another draft asset. Or they could have traded up for Precious Achiuwa.
If Bolmaro turns into the next Manu, then I'll be the first to sing the praises of Rosas and his front office team. But in my view, it was a poor bet based on very limited data and there were much better bets with more immediate benefits they should have made.
Basically it comes down to whether a perennially shitty team is the best type of team to take swings at stashed projects...
As a fan of a perennially shitty team, I'd rather see help of any kind now vs. possible help years down the line.
But I'm sure others disagree... and I acknowledge that the "what have we got to lose" take might be more popular among fans.
The Wolves are at in interesting point in their development. They're still building and were one of the worst teams in the League last season (a shitty team as you put it). But they're not at the beginning of a rebuild and upgraded the team's talent late last season with the additions of DLO and Beasley. In my view, that puts the team in a position where they should be intent on making the playoffs even as they continue to build over the long-term to become a real contender. That's a long way of saying that I agree with you. I can see swinging for the fences at the top of the draft as the Wolves did with Edwards. But I think they made a huge mistake by failing to use their remaining two picks on players who have a decent chance of contributing right away this season and even more so next season. That's not Bolmaro, who won't even be with the team this season. There were guys available at 17 and in the 20-33 range thereafter who fit that bill, including Saddiq Bey, Precious Achiuwa and Tyrell Terry among others.
I watched Hoop Intellect Scouting Video's on Youtube for almost every draft prospect that was likely to be drafted, so yeah I saw some strengths and weakness film on Bolmaro. In another thread I actually said I liked the player but the process is what I am calling out here. We flat out burned assets to obtain him. I think the other teams were passing on him and we gave away #33 if they were taking him then I think you let that happen then discuss trades to land Bolmaro if he is your guy. If they demand to much you fall back on the next talent that may or may not be better than him but that is good process. If we have to much draft capital then you move it for future draft capital not just waste it. Then we made two draft day trades OKC & NYN if we needed roster space that was the time to create it. Instead we burn more draft assets to clear that roster space, just bad asset management!
Tactical unit wrote:I watched Hoop Intellect Scouting Video's on Youtube for almost every draft prospect that was likely to be drafted, so yeah I saw some strengths and weakness film on Bolmaro. In another thread I actually said I liked the player but the process is what I am calling out here. We flat out burned assets to obtain him. I think the other teams were passing on him and we gave away #33 if they were taking him then I think you let that happen then discuss trades to land Bolmaro if he is your guy. If they demand to much you fall back on the next talent that may or may not be better than him but that is good process. If we have to much draft capital then you move it for future draft capital not just waste it. Then we made two draft day trades OKC & NYN if we needed roster space that was the time to create it. Instead we burn more draft assets to clear that roster space, just bad asset management!
