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[Coolbreeze44]

Cool, I do appreciate you starting a tread with objective opinions about Wiggins play.


But the argument of his assist and rebound stats being better this year, so people they people (fans) who have been complaining about that should just shout up now is crazy to me. I agree with Cam's post also.

I think my real point here is that after his 3rd season in the league, most would agree he was on his way to at least being a decent player. And the biggest difference I see now is that he just can't shoot or finish. And the only thing that I can come up with as a reason is confidence. I was wondering if anybody else sees something different. I actually think his effort is greater than it was 3 years ago. He's running people down from behind and getting blocks. He's fighting through screens better. When he digs in he can keep just about anyone in front of him. He's grabbing more rebounds. I'm just thinking that if the ball would start going in the basket again he might not be a total disaster.

[Coolbreeze44]

Part of it could also be teams have learned what to take away from him offensively. And then he hasn't been able to adjust. I don't know, just trying to understand this whole mess. He's kind of stuck here for another 4 years.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Part of it could also be teams have learned what to take away from him offensively. And then he hasn't been able to adjust. I don't know, just trying to understand this whole mess. He's kind of stuck here for another 4 years.

Sure. Most teams have scouts and several assistant coaches, schemes and strategies and increasingly smarter players.

Who Wiggins is and what he can/can't do are pretty established at this point. It's no different than every other player in the league. The thing is that other players continually evolve and get better. Wiggins has not improved his shooting. And even more importantly, he hasn't improved his shot selection.

So if he continues to try to do the same things over and over and over and over again... against teams well-versed in him trying those things repeatedly, it's very understandable why it's not working.

Forget about on-court effort. Is it beyond the time to ask what he's NOT doing off the court to improve his body and shooting and dribbling and approach to the game (shot selection, et al)?

NBA history is littered with promising players who failed to reach expectations. Some are because of injuries. Many of them are because the player never had the head or drive to match the athleticism.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Part of it could also be teams have learned what to take away from him offensively. And then he hasn't been able to adjust. I don't know, just trying to understand this whole mess. He's kind of stuck here for another 4 years.

Bad hands. No strength. He's just gonna fall into what the defense gives him because he doesn't have the tools to fight to the spots he should be getting to. A guy with his frame is just gonna get worn down jumping into 7 footers night after night taking a beating and he doesn't have the handle to help him navigate around them in the paint. Honestly he just needs to play off ball and shoot 3's and cut to the basket, but he doesn't have the mindset to not float in that scenario. It's a no win situation. His only chance is to put on 30 lbs so he can body guys to easier shooting spots.

[Coolbreeze44]

Part of it could also be teams have learned what to take away from him offensively. And then he hasn't been able to adjust. I don't know, just trying to understand this whole mess. He's kind of stuck here for another 4 years.

Bad hands. No strength. He's just gonna fall into what the defense gives him because he doesn't have the tools to fight to the spots he should be getting to. A guy with his frame is just gonna get worn down jumping into 7 footers night after night taking a beating and he doesn't have the handle to help him navigate around them in the paint. Honestly he just needs to play off ball and shoot 3's and cut to the basket, but he doesn't have the mindset to not float in that scenario. It's a no win situation. His only chance is to put on 30 lbs so he can body guys to easier shooting spots.

Yeah, i think you're spot on here. Unfortunately some guys just can't put on weight. My son in law made the big leagues with the Giants and his biggest flaw was his ability to maintain weight. He would start the season at 190 lbs and end up at 165. His fastball would start the season at 97mph and by the end of the year would be 91. No matter what he did to keep his weight up it wouldn't work. He probably ate as much as anyone on the roster but his genetics just failed him.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Part of it could also be teams have learned what to take away from him offensively. And then he hasn't been able to adjust. I don't know, just trying to understand this whole mess. He's kind of stuck here for another 4 years.

Bad hands. No strength. He's just gonna fall into what the defense gives him because he doesn't have the tools to fight to the spots he should be getting to. A guy with his frame is just gonna get worn down jumping into 7 footers night after night taking a beating and he doesn't have the handle to help him navigate around them in the paint. Honestly he just needs to play off ball and shoot 3's and cut to the basket, but he doesn't have the mindset to not float in that scenario. It's a no win situation. His only chance is to put on 30 lbs so he can body guys to easier shooting spots.

Yeah, i think you're spot on here. Unfortunately some guys just can't put on weight. My son in law made the big leagues with the Giants and his biggest flaw was his ability to maintain weight. He would start the season at 190 lbs and end up at 165. His fastball would start the season at 97mph and by the end of the year would be 91. No matter what he did to keep his weight up it wouldn't work. He probably ate as much as anyone on the roster but his genetics just failed him.

Do we know for certain Wiggins has tried to put on weight/muscle?

I don't. But Jim Peterson recently made some pointed comments about it on a telecast.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Can't stand the guy. Hate everything about the way he plays....always have. I would take watching guys like Tyus play over guys like Wiggins every day of the week.

Every statistic for Andrew is pathetic. And those few that tout his minute improvements....I guess when your are the worst, and you jump 2-3 spots to third worst, that is something for some folks.

Let's look where he ranks in important statistics with all SF:
Rebounding: 21st - This has always been confounding to me. With his athleticism, he should be top 3
FT Made: 10th
3pt %: 35th
Assists: 17th
Steals: 13th

He literally doesn't do anything "well". NOTHING! At best, he does a couple things average. Honestly, on the open market next year, I would be surprised if he got an offer more than $6-7MM per year. He is the poster child for mid-level player.

[Monster]

Cool, I do appreciate you starting a tread with objective opinions about Wiggins play.


But the argument of his assist and rebound stats being better this year, so people they people (fans) who have been complaining about that should just shout up now is crazy to me. I agree with Cam's post also.

I think my real point here is that after his 3rd season in the league, most would agree he was on his way to at least being a decent player. And the biggest difference I see now is that he just can't shoot or finish. And the only thing that I can come up with as a reason is confidence. I was wondering if anybody else sees something different. I actually think his effort is greater than it was 3 years ago. He's running people down from behind and getting blocks. He's fighting through screens better. When he digs in he can keep just about anyone in front of him. He's grabbing more rebounds. I'm just thinking that if the ball would start going in the basket again he might not be a total disaster.

It is pretty much how I feel.

[Monster]

Part of it could also be teams have learned what to take away from him offensively. And then he hasn't been able to adjust. I don't know, just trying to understand this whole mess. He's kind of stuck here for another 4 years.

Bad hands. No strength. He's just gonna fall into what the defense gives him because he doesn't have the tools to fight to the spots he should be getting to. A guy with his frame is just gonna get worn down jumping into 7 footers night after night taking a beating and he doesn't have the handle to help him navigate around them in the paint. Honestly he just needs to play off ball and shoot 3's and cut to the basket, but he doesn't have the mindset to not float in that scenario. It's a no win situation. His only chance is to put on 30 lbs so he can body guys to easier shooting spots.

Yeah, i think you're spot on here. Unfortunately some guys just can't put on weight. My son in law made the big leagues with the Giants and his biggest flaw was his ability to maintain weight. He would start the season at 190 lbs and end up at 165. His fastball would start the season at 97mph and by the end of the year would be 91. No matter what he did to keep his weight up it wouldn't work. He probably ate as much as anyone on the roster but his genetics just failed him.

Do we know for certain Wiggins has tried to put on weight/muscle?

I don't. But Jim Peterson recently made some pointed comments about it on a telecast.

Personally other than his bad hands I don't think there is anything physically holding him back. I remember his rookie year he getting worked by Tashaun Prince in the post. Starting last year he was about to play a lot of the bigger SF in the post as a defender. Regardless of his body composition IMO he is clearly stronger. Covington is DPOY candidate and all NBA defensive guy. His lower legs make Wiggins look kinda big. Wiggins has plenty of physical gifts to get it done. It's other things that are holding him back IMHO.

[thedoper]

Cool, I do appreciate you starting a tread with objective opinions about Wiggins play.


But the argument of his assist and rebound stats being better this year, so people they people (fans) who have been complaining about that should just shout up now is crazy to me. I agree with Cam's post also.

I think my real point here is that after his 3rd season in the league, most would agree he was on his way to at least being a decent player. And the biggest difference I see now is that he just can't shoot or finish. And the only thing that I can come up with as a reason is confidence. I was wondering if anybody else sees something different. I actually think his effort is greater than it was 3 years ago. He's running people down from behind and getting blocks. He's fighting through screens better. When he digs in he can keep just about anyone in front of him. He's grabbing more rebounds. I'm just thinking that if the ball would start going in the basket again he might not be a total disaster.

This has been exactly how I feel. If he got his head right and shot 45% or more he'd be a borderline all-star just by the numbers alone. It's sad that he can't.