CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
I don't know what went into Taylor's thinking when resigning Wiggins. My comment was pure speculation.
I just know that having the team's best player have enough leverage to ask for a trade 2 years into the deal (instead of having him locked up for 5 years) was deemed less-than-ideal at the time... and probably one that Taylor would agree he'd like avoid in the future.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
They didn't give him the 5 year max like Wiggins and Kat have. They gave him a 4 year max with a player option after 3. Reports were that was the main reason he wanted out is because he didn't recieve the full max the 1st time
The two biggest mistakes this franchise has made the last 4-5 years, I'm using that timeframe because that's when the Wolves had accumulated some young assets and had flexibility to build something special. Signing Wiggins and the Butler trade are the two mistakes I'm talking about.
On the surface both moves seemed to make sense, or you could easily make an argument for doing both I believe. But both have been huge failures, and a reason why we're at this point. I believe a front office comprised of more objective, forward thinking, self assured people could of avoided both.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
They didn't give him the 5 year max like Wiggins and Kat have. They gave him a 4 year max with a player option after 3. Reports were that was the main reason he wanted out is because he didn't recieve the full max the 1st time
But didn't we get the best of Kevin Love? And after he left, would you have really considered him a max 5 year guy based on the ensuing production?
Duke13 wrote:The two biggest mistakes this franchise has made the last 4-5 years, I'm using that timeframe because that's when the Wolves had accumulated some young assets and had flexibility to build something special. Signing Wiggins and the Butler trade are the two mistakes I'm talking about.
On the surface both moves seemed to make sense, or you could easily make an argument for doing both I believe. But both have been huge failures, and a reason why we're at this point. I believe a front office comprised of more objective, forward thinking, self assured people could of avoided both.
I think that's a fair post. I didn't like the Butler trade at the time it was made, but of course I was okay that Andrew was maxed. But yeah, they both look like horrific failures now.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
They didn't give him the 5 year max like Wiggins and Kat have. They gave him a 4 year max with a player option after 3. Reports were that was the main reason he wanted out is because he didn't recieve the full max the 1st time
But didn't we get the best of Kevin Love? And after he left, would you have really considered him a max 5 year guy based on the ensuing production?
If you want to play that game...
The guy was a key guy on 4* NBA Finals teams... and made two ASGs.
The guy the Wolves traded for has yet to post a season better than an average replacement player .
Yeah. I think Love still held pretty damn good value, even as a max player.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
They didn't give him the 5 year max like Wiggins and Kat have. They gave him a 4 year max with a player option after 3. Reports were that was the main reason he wanted out is because he didn't recieve the full max the 1st time
But didn't we get the best of Kevin Love? And after he left, would you have really considered him a max 5 year guy based on the ensuing production?
If you want to play that game...
The guy was a key guy on 4* NBA Finals teams... and made two ASGs.
The guy the Wolves traded for has yet to post a season better than an average replacement player .
Yeah. I think Love still held pretty damn good value, even as a max player.
I'll play the game. But first i will say i was always a Love supporter, even to this day. On the first finals team he missed basically the entire post season. His numbers in Cleveland were always good, not great. And those numbers went down fairly dramatically in the post season. He has missed a ton of games throughout his career, both here and in Cleveland. And he's never even sniffed the playoffs without having Lebron on his team. So yeah, you can make an argument the 4 year max was appropriate compensation.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
They didn't give him the 5 year max like Wiggins and Kat have. They gave him a 4 year max with a player option after 3. Reports were that was the main reason he wanted out is because he didn't recieve the full max the 1st time
But didn't we get the best of Kevin Love? And after he left, would you have really considered him a max 5 year guy based on the ensuing production?
If you want to play that game...
The guy was a key guy on 4* NBA Finals teams... and made two ASGs.
The guy the Wolves traded for has yet to post a season better than an average replacement player .
Yeah. I think Love still held pretty damn good value, even as a max player.
I'll play the game. But first i will say i was always a Love supporter, even to this day. On the first finals team he missed basically the entire post season. His numbers in Cleveland were always good, not great. And those numbers went down fairly dramatically in the post season. He has missed a ton of games throughout his career, both here and in Cleveland. And he's never even sniffed the playoffs without having Lebron on his team. So yeah, you can make an argument the 4 year max was appropriate compensation.
That's what the * was for...
And feel free to discredit Love's contributions to a perennial championship team while absolving a guy who has yet to distance himself from Garrett Temple.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If Taylor had given Love the max I suspect you would have had a problem with that too. Especially after his routine trips to the disabled list. Hindsight
Me?
No. When you're as crappy of a franchise as the Wolves were (are)... and a guy who is rapidly improving and productive WANTS to stay... sign him! I don't think that take ever changed.
Ironically, that Kevin Love mistake from Taylor might have actually led to the decision to max out Wiggins. Turns out the guy played it wrong both times trying two very different methods.
They did sign him. And you can certainly argue it turned out to be the right decision. It had nothing to do with maxing out Wiggins.
They didn't give him the 5 year max like Wiggins and Kat have. They gave him a 4 year max with a player option after 3. Reports were that was the main reason he wanted out is because he didn't recieve the full max the 1st time
But didn't we get the best of Kevin Love? And after he left, would you have really considered him a max 5 year guy based on the ensuing production?
If you want to play that game...
The guy was a key guy on 4* NBA Finals teams... and made two ASGs.
The guy the Wolves traded for has yet to post a season better than an average replacement player .
Yeah. I think Love still held pretty damn good value, even as a max player.
I'll play the game. But first i will say i was always a Love supporter, even to this day. On the first finals team he missed basically the entire post season. His numbers in Cleveland were always good, not great. And those numbers went down fairly dramatically in the post season. He has missed a ton of games throughout his career, both here and in Cleveland. And he's never even sniffed the playoffs without having Lebron on his team. So yeah, you can make an argument the 4 year max was appropriate compensation.
The biggest mistake was Curry. He's the greatest shooter of all time. He's the face of the 3pt revolution. He's an egoless superstar star. Oh and we could have paired him with Kevin Love creating the best two man game in the league at the time. There is no other move in franchise history comparable to passing that guy up twice.
