TheFuture wrote:What benefits are there to signing him early?
I see a few benefits for waiting:
Maybe there is less money around when he is due and we get him at a slight discount? Even if it is the full max we have to match, then we tie up someone elses money for 3+ days. What if he gets both his legs amputated halfway through the season? He has zero leverage. You wait.
Then when he leaves us in a few years after we lowball him we can scream about loyalty like Jazz fans!
He can't leave until after this next contract. He can do so no matter what we pay him. I only expect to have Wiggins and KAT through their next contract, nothing more.
So why not pay him the max then? He's going to get a max offer from somebody so why shouldn't we do it and keep the good will? Why the defeatist attitude about him staying long term?
I explained why we should wait in a previous post. Two easy choices: We make sure he doesn't get severely injured this season. We get to tie up another team's money during FA. We have all the leverage to wait, and we should utilize it.
Defeatist attitude about him staying long term? Defeatist or Realist? This is a question that doesn't really require an explanation.
Uhh, yeah it does require an explanation when you make all of your moves based on the notion that everything is going to fall apart anyway. Your two easy choices don't take into account that Wiggins can just sign the QO and leave after one more season. Before you try and tell me it's a longshot that he would do that, it's because teams aren't stupid enough to let it get to the point that a player of his caliber would be angered enough to sign it in the first place. He's 5 points away from being the 5th youngest player in history to score 5000 points and he is incredibly durable. If anyone is going to sign the QO offer it would be him as he will have multiple teams backing up the Brink's truck the second they're able to.
TheFuture wrote:What benefits are there to signing him early?
I see a few benefits for waiting:
Maybe there is less money around when he is due and we get him at a slight discount? Even if it is the full max we have to match, then we tie up someone elses money for 3+ days. What if he gets both his legs amputated halfway through the season? He has zero leverage. You wait.
Then when he leaves us in a few years after we lowball him we can scream about loyalty like Jazz fans!
He can't leave until after this next contract. He can do so no matter what we pay him. I only expect to have Wiggins and KAT through their next contract, nothing more.
So why not pay him the max then? He's going to get a max offer from somebody so why shouldn't we do it and keep the good will? Why the defeatist attitude about him staying long term?
I explained why we should wait in a previous post. Two easy choices: We make sure he doesn't get severely injured this season. We get to tie up another team's money during FA. We have all the leverage to wait, and we should utilize it.
Defeatist attitude about him staying long term? Defeatist or Realist? This is a question that doesn't really require an explanation.
Uhh, yeah it does require an explanation when you make all of your moves based on the notion that everything is going to fall apart anyway. Your two easy choices don't take into account that Wiggins can just sign the QO and leave after one more season. Before you try and tell me it's a longshot that he would do that, it's because teams aren't stupid enough to let it get to the point that a player of his caliber would be angered enough to sign it in the first place. He's 5 points away from being the 5th youngest player in history to score 5000 points and he is incredibly durable. If anyone is going to sign the QO offer it would be him as he will have multiple teams backing up the Brink's truck the second they're able to.
Absolutely right, Bloop. You extend Wiggins before the season starts just as we extended Gorgui last year. And you give Wiggins the max 5-year deal, reserving the other one for KAT next season. If we extend Wiggins this summer/fall, make the playoffs and end up better than just a one-and-done 8th seed that gets swept by the Warriors in the first round, then I see KAT accepting the other 5-year extension this time next year. Then we'll have our two young cornerstones locked up for the long haul and we can build and retool around them.
The benefits to signing him now are easy. He becomes a max guy and you get the last two years of max money discounted to what he could get as a 7 year veteran free agent if you let him hit free agency 2 years earlier. What does saving a couple million a season do for us? We'll have no cap space anyway to use it. It likely wouldn't even save us MLE level room to stay under the luxury tax. It's a really dumb risk to let him hit the market, sign a 3+1 and then give him a real reason to leave after 3 years because you wanted him on a meaningless discount. He's been probably the biggest iron man in the league given the minutes he plays so worrying about injury this year as a reason to not get him signed now is a dumb reason as well. Sign him. Keep him happy. Win a lot of games with him, Butler and Towns and enjoy the ride.
khans2k5 wrote:The benefits to signing him now are easy. He becomes a max guy and you get the last two years of max money discounted to what he could get as a 7 year veteran free agent if you let him hit free agency 2 years earlier. What does saving a couple million a season do for us? We'll have no cap space anyway to use it. It likely wouldn't even save us MLE level room to stay under the luxury tax. It's a really dumb risk to let him hit the market, sign a 3+1 and then give him a real reason to leave after 3 years because you wanted him on a meaningless discount. He's been probably the biggest iron man in the league given the minutes he plays so worrying about injury this year as a reason to not get him signed now is a dumb reason as well. Sign him. Keep him happy. Win a lot of games with him, Butler and Towns and enjoy the ride.
This and Phenom saying we can deal him if we need to go another direction.
My big concern with giving Wiggins an extension at all let alone now is that if you're Wiggins, you've gotten this fat half-assing it. Now you're gonna get a 5 year and everyone's slurping you saying you're a cornerstone piece even though you haven't put in the work. If you're him, what incentive does he have to make these massive growths in his game? He's been handled with kid gloves this entire time. When Sam Mitchell tried to yell at him, he tuned him out and Sam had to approach him like a bear. I just hope he finds a reason to get better from within because all this team has done since he's been here is effectively "what you've done to date has been awesome" when it hasn't.
WildWolf2813 wrote:My big concern with giving Wiggins an extension at all let alone now is that if you're Wiggins, you've gotten this fat half-assing it. Now you're gonna get a 5 year and everyone's slurping you saying you're a cornerstone piece even though you haven't put in the work. If you're him, what incentive does he have to make these massive growths in his game? He's been handled with kid gloves this entire time. When Sam Mitchell tried to yell at him, he tuned him out and Sam had to approach him like a bear. I just hope he finds a reason to get better from within because all this team has done since he's been here is effectively "what you've done to date has been awesome" when it hasn't.
Well then he gets dealt for a huge trade package because Butler and Gibson won't put up with that shit. So worst case you get a bunch of assets from a team looking to add a potential all-star talent to their roster and don't have the cap space or market to do so. He has rare scoring numbers for a guy his age. Someone will pony up if it really comes to it, which I firmly believe it won't.
My head is buried nowhere. Like I said, I would pay KAT in e nanosecond. Paying Wiggins early gives me pause. I don't think that position is inconceivable..
