Tank-Time Thread

[AbeVigodaLive]

I see multiple people ripping the Clippers. Don't sleep on that team. They're better than most people think.

They were 42 - 40 last season... and are even better this season. It's not because of top-end talent, obviously. They simply have a ton of NBA-level talent.

Harris and Galinari were actually sorta redundant, so I don't think that's as huge of a hit as many would think. And they shipped out statistically the team's worst player (A. Bradley) and added Zubac, G. Temple, Shamet, Wilson Chandler and J. Green. None of them are D-level talents... they've all been NBA starters or guys who played for winning NBA teams.

That being said... the Clippers lose their pick if they make the playoffs. My point is that they don't have a team of Bruno Cabocles and Ernest Whats-his-names to blatantly tank like other teams. They're going to be a reasonable team regardless of who they put on the court.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

[Wolvesfan21]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

[kekgeek]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

But once again no team is trading that much when you have a star player in Kat for the hope Donicic is good. There was no guarantee he was going to be good I mean 2 teams passed on him.

No team gives up a 3rd team All NBA, 21st pick a swap of picks and a future 1st for the 3rd pick.

Now doncic is great but there was no promise at the time

[Wolvesfan21]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

But once again no team is trading that much when you have a star player in Kat for the hope Donicic is good. There was no guarantee he was going to be good I mean 2 teams passed on him.

No team gives up a 3rd team All NBA, 21st pick a swap of picks and a future 1st for the 3rd pick.

Now doncic is great but there was no promise at the time

Hicks123 said they wouldn't take it. So what is it? You can say hindsight is 20/20 but I proposed doing this exact thing before the draft. So yes, it was the right move then. You have to remember that Butler told Thibs he wanted out after the end of the season, Butler was leaving either way! There was already division in the ranks. So Butler to the Wolves was damaged goods. It would have been smart to do the trade.

To me it seemed obvious I guess and I didn't even know the extent of the Butler situation as Thibs had to have known.

[kekgeek]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

But once again no team is trading that much when you have a star player in Kat for the hope Donicic is good. There was no guarantee he was going to be good I mean 2 teams passed on him.

No team gives up a 3rd team All NBA, 21st pick a swap of picks and a future 1st for the 3rd pick.

Now doncic is great but there was no promise at the time

Hicks123 said they wouldn't take it. So what is it? You can say hindsight is 20/20 but I proposed doing this exact thing before the draft. So yes, it was the right move then. You have to remember that Butler told Thibs he wanted out after the end of the season, Butler was leaving either way! There was already division in the ranks. So Butler to the Wolves was damaged goods. It would have been smart to do the trade.

To me it seemed obvious I guess and I didn't even know the extent of the Butler situation as Thibs had to have known.

Those teams don't do butler for their pick because they are in rebuild mode and Wolves don't trade Butler and 3 1sts for an unknown commodity. I mean how many high picks have the wolves had in our history that have busts. Way to much risk at the time to bank on Doncic.

Just because the trade would of worked out doesn't mean it was a good trade at the time

[Monster]

The Suns weren't doing a Butler plus a future first for #1. Ayton was/is a bigtime player at #1. It was defensible to take him over Luka and I would have taken Luka. If nothing else do you know who their owner is? Robert Sarver. Let's be realistic here.

Speaking of owners there are some whispers on Twitter that the new Houston owner may have some more sketchy finances than expected and that could be a pretty big factor going forward. I know the Rockets had a risky built roster but man I feel bad for them if they are constrained by money. That team Morey and their fans deserve better than that and I dislike watching that team play plenty.

[Wolvesfan21]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

But once again no team is trading that much when you have a star player in Kat for the hope Donicic is good. There was no guarantee he was going to be good I mean 2 teams passed on him.

No team gives up a 3rd team All NBA, 21st pick a swap of picks and a future 1st for the 3rd pick.

Now doncic is great but there was no promise at the time

Hicks123 said they wouldn't take it. So what is it? You can say hindsight is 20/20 but I proposed doing this exact thing before the draft. So yes, it was the right move then. You have to remember that Butler told Thibs he wanted out after the end of the season, Butler was leaving either way! There was already division in the ranks. So Butler to the Wolves was damaged goods. It would have been smart to do the trade.

To me it seemed obvious I guess and I didn't even know the extent of the Butler situation as Thibs had to have known.

Those teams don't do butler for their pick because they are in rebuild mode and Wolves don't trade Butler and 3 1sts for an unknown commodity. I mean how many high picks have the wolves had in our history that have busts. Way to much risk at the time to bank on Doncic.

Just because the trade would of worked out doesn't mean it was a good trade at the time

Just because the Wolves have whiffed before do you stop swinging. You also completely ignored the fact that Butler was leaving either way. Thibs knew or should have known, I knew, Lip knew. So would you rather take a shot at a young guy or wait and try and make it work. Well Thibs tried to make it work or get a Veteran/s and it was obviously a boneheaded decision. I also said it would be two 1sts plus Butler. Sac might have done it, so may have ATL. Pheonix maybe too, who knows. The owner is cheap maybe they could have dumped another contract and saved money instead of more picks.

Anyways, we will never know. I very highly doubt that Thibs tried to get Luca and that was his downfall, being a moron like he is.

[kekgeek]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

But once again no team is trading that much when you have a star player in Kat for the hope Donicic is good. There was no guarantee he was going to be good I mean 2 teams passed on him.

No team gives up a 3rd team All NBA, 21st pick a swap of picks and a future 1st for the 3rd pick.

Now doncic is great but there was no promise at the time

Hicks123 said they wouldn't take it. So what is it? You can say hindsight is 20/20 but I proposed doing this exact thing before the draft. So yes, it was the right move then. You have to remember that Butler told Thibs he wanted out after the end of the season, Butler was leaving either way! There was already division in the ranks. So Butler to the Wolves was damaged goods. It would have been smart to do the trade.

To me it seemed obvious I guess and I didn't even know the extent of the Butler situation as Thibs had to have known.

Those teams don't do butler for their pick because they are in rebuild mode and Wolves don't trade Butler and 3 1sts for an unknown commodity. I mean how many high picks have the wolves had in our history that have busts. Way to much risk at the time to bank on Doncic.

Just because the trade would of worked out doesn't mean it was a good trade at the time

Just because the Wolves have whiffed before do you stop swinging. You also completely ignored the fact that Butler was leaving either way. Thibs knew or should have known, I knew, Lip knew. So would you rather take a shot at a young guy or wait and try and make it work. Well Thibs tried to make it work or get a Veteran/s and it was obviously a boneheaded decision. I also said it would be two 1sts plus Butler. Sac might have done it, so may have ATL. Pheonix maybe too, who knows. The owner is cheap maybe they could have dumped another contract and saved money instead of more picks.

Anyways, we will never know. I very highly doubt that Thibs tried to get Luca and that was his downfall, being a moron like he is.

Yay Pop is a Moron he didn't trade angry star Leonard and 2 1st for fultz (the consensus best prospect)

Flip is a dummy he didn't trade, Love, lavine (12th pick) and another 1st for Wiggins or Parker the best 2 prospects in that draft.

It's the same logic that you are using for not trading for Luka

You are using such results oriented thinking and hindsight bias to make your point and call thibs a moron.

Thibs made mistakes but saying he is a moron for not trading an all NBA player and 2 picks for an unknown is just dumb

[Wolvesfan21]

Wait, so one of Phoenix, Sac or Atlanta were going to trade for Butler? All three teams are in 100% rebuild mode. Yet we think they were going to trade their top picks last year for Butler? Silly....hindsight is fun, but there was NOT a deal to be made with Butler to get us Doncic. No way, no how.

Yeah but also include swapping of 1sts, so they still got a 1st and probably add another 1st next year. That might have sounded extreme to give up an AllStar player in Butler swap 1sts plus another 1st but Phoenix may have done that. Not to mention ATL did trade out of that slot, what did Dallas give up? Sure ATL didn't drop as far, but DAL didn't give up a top tier player plus another 1st too.

The thing is Butler was always going to leave anyways, so getting a young possible superstar player was the right move. I would have done anything minus trading KAT.

But once again no team is trading that much when you have a star player in Kat for the hope Donicic is good. There was no guarantee he was going to be good I mean 2 teams passed on him.

No team gives up a 3rd team All NBA, 21st pick a swap of picks and a future 1st for the 3rd pick.

Now doncic is great but there was no promise at the time

Hicks123 said they wouldn't take it. So what is it? You can say hindsight is 20/20 but I proposed doing this exact thing before the draft. So yes, it was the right move then. You have to remember that Butler told Thibs he wanted out after the end of the season, Butler was leaving either way! There was already division in the ranks. So Butler to the Wolves was damaged goods. It would have been smart to do the trade.

To me it seemed obvious I guess and I didn't even know the extent of the Butler situation as Thibs had to have known.

Those teams don't do butler for their pick because they are in rebuild mode and Wolves don't trade Butler and 3 1sts for an unknown commodity. I mean how many high picks have the wolves had in our history that have busts. Way to much risk at the time to bank on Doncic.

Just because the trade would of worked out doesn't mean it was a good trade at the time

Just because the Wolves have whiffed before do you stop swinging. You also completely ignored the fact that Butler was leaving either way. Thibs knew or should have known, I knew, Lip knew. So would you rather take a shot at a young guy or wait and try and make it work. Well Thibs tried to make it work or get a Veteran/s and it was obviously a boneheaded decision. I also said it would be two 1sts plus Butler. Sac might have done it, so may have ATL. Pheonix maybe too, who knows. The owner is cheap maybe they could have dumped another contract and saved money instead of more picks.

Anyways, we will never know. I very highly doubt that Thibs tried to get Luca and that was his downfall, being a moron like he is.

Yay Pop is a Moron he didn't trade angry star Leonard and 2 1st for fultz (the consensus best prospect)

Flip is a dummy he didn't trade, Love, lavine (12th pick) and another 1st for Wiggins or Parker the best 2 prospects in that draft.

It's the same logic that you are using for not trading for Luka

You are using such results oriented thinking and hindsight bias to make your point and call thibs a moron.

Thibs made mistakes but saying he is a moron for not trading an all NBA player and 2 picks for an unknown is just dumb

Who liked Fultz? Only the Sixers did. lol

I'm just saying what I would have went up to, it's all hypothetical. It could have been just a swap of 1st and Butler. You don't know and we won't ever know.

You fail to realize that many of us knew Butler was leaving and was not the answer. We wanted Thibs gone after the 1st round playoff exit.

Trying to defend the moron Thibs at this point is baffling. You are the only one.

Problem is we have an owner who doesn't know what he is doing and is on the cheap side to boot.

You are also comparing Luca to Fultz and Wiggins, that laughable. I said Luca would be by far the best player in the draft. I said the Wolves better offer up Butler for him. He had and has skills like LeBron minus the athletic ability and size by a bit. It's not hard to see if you watched him for a few minutes.

So yes, anyone who didn't know is a moron.