Anyone up for a moral victory? Raptors/Wolves GDT

[60WinTim]

Well, the Pacers are destroying the Spurs, so there's that. Along with Dallas losing as well...

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

Its likely that jimmy wants out because kat and wiggins are both soft as hell. Whenever anyone is physical with kat he just goes into a shell. That being said i like seeing the effort by okogie and rose and butler. At this point you start to wonder is it not better seeing butler for 5 years than seeing wiggins and towns for what likely will be 5 years tops.

KAT just doesn't have the lower body strength. He and Dieng....bleh...same old story of being pushed around. I thought KAT was OK defensively, but offensively he has such a hard time establishing position and sealing off guys.

Dieng was a disaster again. Val did whatever he wanted against him.

We need a big guy that can squat more than 50 lbs. and doesn't topple over the second someone breathes on him....and it ain't Patton either. He's just as soft if not worse than the others.

Quoted for truth.

Maybe we tale a look at a former member of thib's bulls; Asik.

Moral victory? Eh. Sort of. Toronto is 1st or 2nd in the East, which is a backhanded compliment i know.

Its tough to add lower body mass. As a skinny guy myself, I was able to get stronger legs, but still didn't feel like I was getting bigger. Maybe the meatheads here can correct me...

[WildWolf2813]

Its likely that jimmy wants out because kat and wiggins are both soft as hell. Whenever anyone is physical with kat he just goes into a shell. That being said i like seeing the effort by okogie and rose and butler. At this point you start to wonder is it not better seeing butler for 5 years than seeing wiggins and towns for what likely will be 5 years tops.

KAT just doesn't have the lower body strength. He and Dieng....bleh...same old story of being pushed around. I thought KAT was OK defensively, but offensively he has such a hard time establishing position and sealing off guys.

Dieng was a disaster again. Val did whatever he wanted against him.

We need a big guy that can squat more than 50 lbs. and doesn't topple over the second someone breathes on him....and it ain't Patton either. He's just as soft if not worse than the others.

I miss Pekovic

[TAFKASP]

Its likely that jimmy wants out because kat and wiggins are both soft as hell. Whenever anyone is physical with kat he just goes into a shell. That being said i like seeing the effort by okogie and rose and butler. At this point you start to wonder is it not better seeing butler for 5 years than seeing wiggins and towns for what likely will be 5 years tops.

KAT just doesn't have the lower body strength. He and Dieng....bleh...same old story of being pushed around. I thought KAT was OK defensively, but offensively he has such a hard time establishing position and sealing off guys.

Dieng was a disaster again. Val did whatever he wanted against him.

We need a big guy that can squat more than 50 lbs. and doesn't topple over the second someone breathes on him....and it ain't Patton either. He's just as soft if not worse than the others.

Quoted for truth.

Maybe we tale a look at a former member of thib's bulls; Asik.

Moral victory? Eh. Sort of. Toronto is 1st or 2nd in the East, which is a backhanded compliment i know.

Its tough to add lower body mass. As a skinny guy myself, I was able to get stronger legs, but still didn't feel like I was getting bigger. Maybe the meatheads here can correct me...

[kekgeek]

There is now video online after Kat air balled his 3. He asked thibs to take him out.

Kat has been mostly terrible offensively to start the year.

Is it just a slow start, Jimmy drama, the offensive system, he just got paid, him being soft, he was battling a shoulder injury in preseason is that still bothering him.

Whatever it is he needs to step it up

[thedoper]

They beat us playing Thibs ball. It's kind of funny. We did shoot 50%from 3 if you're looking for a moral victory. So strange that we couldn't hit from anywhere else.

Anyway Toronto is a good team that is deep on every level. Good on Masai for this year at least. Ultimately the longer Jimmy is on this team the stranger it will get.

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

Its likely that jimmy wants out because kat and wiggins are both soft as hell. Whenever anyone is physical with kat he just goes into a shell. That being said i like seeing the effort by okogie and rose and butler. At this point you start to wonder is it not better seeing butler for 5 years than seeing wiggins and towns for what likely will be 5 years tops.

KAT just doesn't have the lower body strength. He and Dieng....bleh...same old story of being pushed around. I thought KAT was OK defensively, but offensively he has such a hard time establishing position and sealing off guys.

Dieng was a disaster again. Val did whatever he wanted against him.

We need a big guy that can squat more than 50 lbs. and doesn't topple over the second someone breathes on him....and it ain't Patton either. He's just as soft if not worse than the others.

Quoted for truth.

Maybe we tale a look at a former member of thib's bulls; Asik.

Moral victory? Eh. Sort of. Toronto is 1st or 2nd in the East, which is a backhanded compliment i know.

Its tough to add lower body mass. As a skinny guy myself, I was able to get stronger legs, but still didn't feel like I was getting bigger. Maybe the meatheads here can correct me...

Haha. Yes of course!

[Duke13]

I love Okogie's energy, but he just can't miss this many damn shots. Why do we always have to draft someone with some massive hole in their game? And his shot was pretty good in college! Sheesh.

I'm actually not worried about his shot. Pretty good for and rotation on the ball. Keep shooting

[Duke13]

Its likely that jimmy wants out because kat and wiggins are both soft as hell. Whenever anyone is physical with kat he just goes into a shell. That being said i like seeing the effort by okogie and rose and butler. At this point you start to wonder is it not better seeing butler for 5 years than seeing wiggins and towns for what likely will be 5 years tops.

KAT just doesn't have the lower body strength. He and Dieng....bleh...same old story of being pushed around. I thought KAT was OK defensively, but offensively he has such a hard time establishing position and sealing off guys.

Dieng was a disaster again. Val did whatever he wanted against him.

We need a big guy that can squat more than 50 lbs. and doesn't topple over the second someone breathes on him....and it ain't Patton either. He's just as soft if not worse than the others.

Agreeance. G was embarrassing tonight.

[Lipoli390]

I missed the game, but I'm now watching the 2nd half on my DVR. I skipped the 1st half. I've never heard Jim Peterson come down so hard on KAT before. At one point after the KAT drove the land and put up a soft failed layup, Jim Pete said the Wolves might as well go with Gorgui if KAT is going to play so soft. Not long after that, Jim Pete said "time to get G in the game." He went on to say that "KAT has that look on his face that he doesn't want to play tonight." I agree.

This is not the KAT we've seen for 3 prior seasons. He's been an offensive and rebounding force nearly every single game during those prior 3 seasons since the minute he first took the floor for the Wolves. So far this season, he's been a shadow of his former self. And it's not as if he's suddenly gotten physically weaker. There's something wrong with him between the ears this season. I don't know what it is, but it has to be addressed. Maybe it's Butler's presence. IF so, then like most my first reaction is that Towns has to get over it. But the team's top executive and head coach - Thibodeau - has responsibility as the top guy to get to the bottom of this and help rectify the situation. I'm not excusing Towns, but our top executive has to be held accountable for the overall mindset of his players. He let the guy who didn't want to be here, Butler, run roughshot over and publicly criticize his teammates without any consequences. Thibodeau has contributed to the problem. And of course, Thibodeau should have been on top of the Butler situation many months ago when it was obvious even to me from the outside that there was a problem.

Meanwhile, my message to KAT is to get his head out of his ass and grow up!