CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
Wrong move, wrong time. I used to say right move at the wrong time. I've changed my mind on that. He's a cancer. The most enjoyable thing would be watching him try to fit in with the Rockets. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
I see your perspective, Wild. I just wish Glen had hired a modern, talented head coach and an elite front office executive rather than the negative ogre we have in both roles. As for the Butler deal, we're all judged by hindsight and hindsight tells us the Butler deal was a bad one.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
Wrong move, wrong time. I used to say right move at the wrong time. I've changed my mind on that. He's a cancer. The most enjoyable thing would be watching him try to fit in with the Rockets. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
It wasn't the wrong move at the wrong time. If it wasn't the right time, when was it ever gonna be time? If 13 straight seasons without the playoffs wasn't gonna trigger action, nothing was gonna do it.
If anything, we've learned a lot more about the players on this team because of Butler than if we kept the status quo.
I don't think we would found out that KAT is soft mentally and has a figurative glass jaw. I don't think we would have learned how disconnected Wiggins is from leading anything. I don't think we would have realized just how out of touch Thibs is with reality. I think we would have given him more of a leash BECAUSE the team was so young and had such young talent. I think fans would have been more in denial of that situation because fans were more emotionally invested in that young core panning out when it probably wasn't gonna do much more than what this team did.
They made the playoffs. It sucks that this is the goal, but we're talking about the Wolves here. Is Jimmy a cancer? Probably. But he'll be gone soon. If Thibs a cancer? Yes. He MIGHT be gone soon. Is Glen a cancer? Yes, and he's not going anywhere. This is the harsh reality of this organization.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
I see your perspective, Wild. I just wish Glen had hired a modern, talented head coach and an elite front office executive rather than the negative ogre we have in both roles. As for the Butler deal, we're all judged by hindsight and hindsight tells us the Butler deal was a bad one.
Except for those who thought it was a bad forced move from the beginning..
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
Wrong move, wrong time. I used to say right move at the wrong time. I've changed my mind on that. He's a cancer. The most enjoyable thing would be watching him try to fit in with the Rockets. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
It wasn't the wrong move at the wrong time. If it wasn't the right time, when was it ever gonna be time? If 13 straight seasons without the playoffs wasn't gonna trigger action, nothing was gonna do it.
If anything, we've learned a lot more about the players on this team because of Butler than if we kept the status quo.
I don't think we would found out that KAT is soft mentally and has a figurative glass jaw. I don't think we would have learned how disconnected Wiggins is from leading anything. I don't think we would have realized just how out of touch Thibs is with reality. I think we would have given him more of a leash BECAUSE the team was so young and had such young talent. I think fans would have been more in denial of that situation because fans were more emotionally invested in that young core panning out when it probably wasn't gonna do much more than what this team did.
They made the playoffs. It sucks that this is the goal, but we're talking about the Wolves here. Is Jimmy a cancer? Probably. But he'll be gone soon. If Thibs a cancer? Yes. He MIGHT be gone soon. Is Glen a cancer? Yes, and he's not going anywhere. This is the harsh reality of this organization.
The 13 years doesn't equate in a correct move timeline. If it was 5 years, okay. 10, okay. 15, okay.
You dont make a deal just to make a deal. It wasn't the right time nor the right deal. That's proven now. I'd rather wait and suffer through 3-5 more years to make the right deal than have to revert to the low Timberwolves mean..
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
Wrong move, wrong time. I used to say right move at the wrong time. I've changed my mind on that. He's a cancer. The most enjoyable thing would be watching him try to fit in with the Rockets. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
It wasn't the wrong move at the wrong time. If it wasn't the right time, when was it ever gonna be time? If 13 straight seasons without the playoffs wasn't gonna trigger action, nothing was gonna do it.
If anything, we've learned a lot more about the players on this team because of Butler than if we kept the status quo.
I don't think we would found out that KAT is soft mentally and has a figurative glass jaw. I don't think we would have learned how disconnected Wiggins is from leading anything. I don't think we would have realized just how out of touch Thibs is with reality. I think we would have given him more of a leash BECAUSE the team was so young and had such young talent. I think fans would have been more in denial of that situation because fans were more emotionally invested in that young core panning out when it probably wasn't gonna do much more than what this team did.
They made the playoffs. It sucks that this is the goal, but we're talking about the Wolves here. Is Jimmy a cancer? Probably. But he'll be gone soon. If Thibs a cancer? Yes. He MIGHT be gone soon. Is Glen a cancer? Yes, and he's not going anywhere. This is the harsh reality of this organization.
The 13 years doesn't equate in a correct move timeline. If it was 5 years, okay. 10, okay. 15, okay.
You dont make a deal just to make a deal. It wasn't the right time nor the right deal. That's proven now. I'd rather wait and suffer through 3-5 more years to make the right deal than have to revert to the low Timberwolves mean..
It wasn't a deal to make a deal. All we heard was "they have a young team. They could use a veteran to help lead them." Without the Butler trade we'd still be saying this. Hell, when was it gonna be a good time? After the team had gone into the luxury tax to keep LaVine/Wiggins/Towns together and not sniff a playoff appearance?
My point is that team wasn't gonna do much more than this team did, and maybe not even as much as this team did. Now, this team is gonna be more gun shy than ever to ever go outside of their comfort zone to hire front office people, to make a trade for a proven star, to get the hotshot coach. This team is gonna be more insular than ever, which wouldn't be the worst thing, IF this team could actually decide they wanna be good at developing talent from within, but they don't. Until they do, nothing is gonna change, and without the trade, nothing WAS gonna change. The funny thing is that I think LaVine would have reacted a lot better to the antics Jimmy brings than KAT and Wiggins have.
khans2k5 wrote:We got a top 15 player in the league. That's not a deal just to make a deal. You do that any time it is a reasonable possibility.
Realistic competition isn't lived in a vacuum. Do I make a deal just to make a deal for a top 15 player from 2005-2010? Sure.
Do I do it with golden state, Houston, and lebron being the reality? Hell no.
Especially when you had a player like Jimmy already causing issues with his previous team/young players. Rajon Rondo spoke out against him - that holds weight.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
Wrong move, wrong time. I used to say right move at the wrong time. I've changed my mind on that. He's a cancer. The most enjoyable thing would be watching him try to fit in with the Rockets. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
It wasn't the wrong move at the wrong time. If it wasn't the right time, when was it ever gonna be time? If 13 straight seasons without the playoffs wasn't gonna trigger action, nothing was gonna do it.
If anything, we've learned a lot more about the players on this team because of Butler than if we kept the status quo.
I don't think we would found out that KAT is soft mentally and has a figurative glass jaw. I don't think we would have learned how disconnected Wiggins is from leading anything. I don't think we would have realized just how out of touch Thibs is with reality. I think we would have given him more of a leash BECAUSE the team was so young and had such young talent. I think fans would have been more in denial of that situation because fans were more emotionally invested in that young core panning out when it probably wasn't gonna do much more than what this team did.
They made the playoffs. It sucks that this is the goal, but we're talking about the Wolves here. Is Jimmy a cancer? Probably. But he'll be gone soon. If Thibs a cancer? Yes. He MIGHT be gone soon. Is Glen a cancer? Yes, and he's not going anywhere. This is the harsh reality of this organization.
The 13 years doesn't equate in a correct move timeline. If it was 5 years, okay. 10, okay. 15, okay.
You dont make a deal just to make a deal. It wasn't the right time nor the right deal. That's proven now. I'd rather wait and suffer through 3-5 more years to make the right deal than have to revert to the low Timberwolves mean..
It wasn't a deal to make a deal. All we heard was "they have a young team. They could use a veteran to help lead them." Without the Butler trade we'd still be saying this. Hell, when was it gonna be a good time? After the team had gone into the luxury tax to keep LaVine/Wiggins/Towns together and not sniff a playoff appearance?
My point is that team wasn't gonna do much more than this team did, and maybe not even as much as this team did. Now, this team is gonna be more gun shy than ever to ever go outside of their comfort zone to hire front office people, to make a trade for a proven star, to get the hotshot coach. This team is gonna be more insular than ever, which wouldn't be the worst thing, IF this team could actually decide they wanna be good at developing talent from within, but they don't. Until they do, nothing is gonna change, and without the trade, nothing WAS gonna change. The funny thing is that I think LaVine would have reacted a lot better to the antics Jimmy brings than KAT and Wiggins have.
Why do I feel your comment is playing both sides of the fence?
We jumped the gun with the trade. Now it has backfired. I'm not sure why it's so difficult to accept for many here. You either suck until you don't, or you become what we are. A mixed up, middling team panicking to recollect lesser assets to attempt to save face.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:In retrospect the Butler trade was a very dark day in a littany of dark days for this franchise. Another was the hire of Thibs. It would be hard to fuck things up this bad on purpose.
Nah. The Butler trade is still to this day one of the better days this team has had. Regardless of what has transpired, that was the "finally, take us seriously" move.
I'm not necessarily sure anyone would be happier with not making that trade and watching the team still fail to progress.
Wrong move, wrong time. I used to say right move at the wrong time. I've changed my mind on that. He's a cancer. The most enjoyable thing would be watching him try to fit in with the Rockets. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
It wasn't the wrong move at the wrong time. If it wasn't the right time, when was it ever gonna be time? If 13 straight seasons without the playoffs wasn't gonna trigger action, nothing was gonna do it.
If anything, we've learned a lot more about the players on this team because of Butler than if we kept the status quo.
I don't think we would found out that KAT is soft mentally and has a figurative glass jaw. I don't think we would have learned how disconnected Wiggins is from leading anything. I don't think we would have realized just how out of touch Thibs is with reality. I think we would have given him more of a leash BECAUSE the team was so young and had such young talent. I think fans would have been more in denial of that situation because fans were more emotionally invested in that young core panning out when it probably wasn't gonna do much more than what this team did.
They made the playoffs. It sucks that this is the goal, but we're talking about the Wolves here. Is Jimmy a cancer? Probably. But he'll be gone soon. If Thibs a cancer? Yes. He MIGHT be gone soon. Is Glen a cancer? Yes, and he's not going anywhere. This is the harsh reality of this organization.
The 13 years doesn't equate in a correct move timeline. If it was 5 years, okay. 10, okay. 15, okay.
You dont make a deal just to make a deal. It wasn't the right time nor the right deal. That's proven now. I'd rather wait and suffer through 3-5 more years to make the right deal than have to revert to the low Timberwolves mean..
It wasn't a deal to make a deal. All we heard was "they have a young team. They could use a veteran to help lead them." Without the Butler trade we'd still be saying this. Hell, when was it gonna be a good time? After the team had gone into the luxury tax to keep LaVine/Wiggins/Towns together and not sniff a playoff appearance?
My point is that team wasn't gonna do much more than this team did, and maybe not even as much as this team did. Now, this team is gonna be more gun shy than ever to ever go outside of their comfort zone to hire front office people, to make a trade for a proven star, to get the hotshot coach. This team is gonna be more insular than ever, which wouldn't be the worst thing, IF this team could actually decide they wanna be good at developing talent from within, but they don't. Until they do, nothing is gonna change, and without the trade, nothing WAS gonna change. The funny thing is that I think LaVine would have reacted a lot better to the antics Jimmy brings than KAT and Wiggins have.
Why do I feel your comment is playing both sides of the fence?
We jumped the gun with the trade. Now it has backfired. I'm not sure why it's so difficult to accept for many here. You either suck until you don't, or you become what we are. A mixed up, middling team panicking to recollect lesser assets to attempt to save face.
It was an educated gamble. If Kat took the necessary steps and Wiggins took the necessary steps they are going to need to take no matter who is around them we would be a contender next year at the latest. This could be the warriors last year of dominance with all of the Durant leaving rumors.
We could of had a top 15 player in butler, best center in towns and an all star in Wiggins. It didn't work, but it was worth the gamble. Now here we are.
