Q12543 wrote:Way off track now, but what about guys in their prime taking big dips? Draymond Green and Klay Thompson are both having pretty damn bad years by their standards. I have to believe four straight Finals appearances and all the pressure and minutes that comes with it is starting to take its toll on that squad....tough to keep your edge.
Yes.
And then if we were to find some of those... how many of those down years were because of injury problems... documented or not?
Q12543 wrote:Way off track now, but what about guys in their prime taking big dips? Draymond Green and Klay Thompson are both having pretty damn bad years by their standards. I have to believe four straight Finals appearances and all the pressure and minutes that comes with it is starting to take its toll on that squad....tough to keep your edge.
I'm assuming you want examples that aren't injury caused like Derrick Rose and Brandon Roy. How about Gerald Wallace, Andres Biedrins, and Lamar Odom.
Yeah, good examples. Ronnie Brewer and Biedrins might be the most extreme in that they had really good years at age 21/22 and then just started to fall off a cliff. I mean, REALLY early success and then out of the league within a few years after that. Crazy. Hibbert's a good one.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, good examples. Ronnie Brewer and Biedrins might be the most extreme in that they had really good years at age 21/22 and then just started to fall off a cliff. I mean, REALLY early success and then out of the league within a few years after that. Crazy. Hibbert's a good one.
Yeah... the league literally passed right on by Hibbert before he could react.
Biedrins got paid... then basically gave up? It's not always the first season of a big contract... often it's the second season. Biedrins shot 16% from the line that season. Never got above 32% again in his career.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, good examples. Ronnie Brewer and Biedrins might be the most extreme in that they had really good years at age 21/22 and then just started to fall off a cliff. I mean, REALLY early success and then out of the league within a few years after that. Crazy. Hibbert's a good one.
Yeah... the league literally passed right on by Hibbert before he could react.
Biedrins got paid... then basically gave up? It's not always the first season of a big contract... often it's the second season. Biedrins shot 16% from the line that season. Never got above 32% again in his career.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, good examples. Ronnie Brewer and Biedrins might be the most extreme in that they had really good years at age 21/22 and then just started to fall off a cliff. I mean, REALLY early success and then out of the league within a few years after that. Crazy. Hibbert's a good one.
Yeah... the league literally passed right on by Hibbert before he could react.
Biedrins got paid... then basically gave up? It's not always the first season of a big contract... often it's the second season. Biedrins shot 16% from the line that season. Never got above 32% again in his career.
Woe.
16 percent. lol My grandma could shoot better.
You can see how it affected his game.
He averaged 4.2 free throws (per 36) in his best season... then down to 1.2 (per 36) in the season when he shot 16%... and from there he was cooked.
He averaged less than 1 free throw per 36 minutes the rest of his career. In 2012... he made ONE free throw in 739 minutes of action.
Tolliver did fine against the Big Wings of the Celtics. He was putting in the effort for sure. Hayward LOVES playing the Wolves in 2nd halfs especially. He absolutely took it to Okogie.
Tyus...Who is this guy? He is pretty good.
Wiggins was good Towns ended up with a good game...Saric is not playing well right now. Thats all I got.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, good examples. Ronnie Brewer and Biedrins might be the most extreme in that they had really good years at age 21/22 and then just started to fall off a cliff. I mean, REALLY early success and then out of the league within a few years after that. Crazy. Hibbert's a good one.
Yeah... the league literally passed right on by Hibbert before he could react.
Biedrins got paid... then basically gave up? It's not always the first season of a big contract... often it's the second season. Biedrins shot 16% from the line that season. Never got above 32% again in his career.
Woe.
16 percent. lol My grandma could shoot better.
You can see how it affected his game.
He averaged 4.2 free throws (per 36) in his best season... then down to 1.2 (per 36) in the season when he shot 16%... and from there he was cooked.
He averaged less than 1 free throw per 36 minutes the rest of his career. In 2012... he made ONE free throw in 739 minutes of action.
Yeah, that's nuts. I always associate him and Ronnie Brewer together because he too just lost it from the free throw line, albeit not quite that disastrously. Noah is another guy that for literally years was a 70%+ free throw shooter, then suddenly descended into sub .500-ish territory. Just weird. It's like a golfer getting the yips with his short putts.
