Q12543 wrote:The other thing is that Detroit's offense generated a lot of corner 3's, which is the shortest distance from beyond the arc. Our offense seems to rely on 3's "above the break", which are all longer 3's. Perhaps we'd be a better 3-point shooting team if we tried to create more corner 3 looks.
I'm so exasperated with the shooting issue....why is it so effing hard for this franchise to defend the 3 and make 3s!?
Well, first of all you won't make threes if you don't take them. Taking 15 fewer threes than Detroit last night was more telling than our 27% shooting from behind the arc. And even our lower percentage isn't a mystery. As you pointed out, we take more difficult threes than most teams. We take more lower percentage threes from further out and fewer uncontested threes. Both result at least in part from the lack of ball movement. The Wolves offense tends to be confined to one side of the court while most other teams swing the ball from one side to the other repeatedly and quickly. So we'll often have a lonely guy standing in one corner or another behind the arc who never touches the ball and never even sees the ball on his side of the court.
Wolves are 9th in the NBA in 3 point percentage. Detroit even after last nights game is 28th.
I'm the broken record in this thread. It's not our 3-point percentage that killed us last night. It was our lack of 3-point attempts relative to Detroit's. Oh, and our failure to more aggressively guard the three.
I was commenting on the idea that the Wolves don't get good 3 point percentage. Then you come back with the idea that the Wolves percentage in this game wasn't the problem. They make 1 more 3 in regulation the game is over with a win.
Let's looks at some numbers from this game and let me know what you think.
Wolves shot 34-70 from 2 point range.
Wolves out rebounded the Pistons on both the offensive AND defensive boards.
Wolves won the turnover battle 7-13
Wolves took more shots 103-94 and made 7 more FTs.
As much as Rose can be frustrating at times with his tunnel vision, damn does he do some crafty stuff out there. The up and under reverses, bank shots, and hesitation dribble drive moves are a thing of beauty. Kyrie might be one of the only guys that is as innovative in and around the paint. In this age of 3's and Frees, it's kinda fun to watch a guy so good at squeezing shots off amongst the trees.
(that being said, he's a 6th man scorer, not a starting NBA PG IMO).
Q12543 wrote:As much as Rose can be frustrating at times with his tunnel vision, damn does he do some crafty stuff out there. The up and under reverses, bank shots, and hesitation dribble drive moves are a thing of beauty. Kyrie might be one of the only guys that is as innovative in and around the paint. In this age of 3's and Frees, it's kinda fun to watch a guy so good at squeezing shots off amongst the trees.
(that being said, he's a 6th man scorer, not a starting NBA PG IMO).
Well said Q. Like you I think his value to the team is higher in that role PLUS it keeps his minutes below 30 a game.
Q12543 wrote:The other thing is that Detroit's offense generated a lot of corner 3's, which is the shortest distance from beyond the arc. Our offense seems to rely on 3's "above the break", which are all longer 3's. Perhaps we'd be a better 3-point shooting team if we tried to create more corner 3 looks.
I'm so exasperated with the shooting issue....why is it so effing hard for this franchise to defend the 3 and make 3s!?
Well, first of all you won't make threes if you don't take them. Taking 15 fewer threes than Detroit last night was more telling than our 27% shooting from behind the arc. And even our lower percentage isn't a mystery. As you pointed out, we take more difficult threes than most teams. We take more lower percentage threes from further out and fewer uncontested threes. Both result at least in part from the lack of ball movement. The Wolves offense tends to be confined to one side of the court while most other teams swing the ball from one side to the other repeatedly and quickly. So we'll often have a lonely guy standing in one corner or another behind the arc who never touches the ball and never even sees the ball on his side of the court.
Lip you've hit it in the head. We haven't been coached right for 3 years in regards to what you're talking about. Rose has been fun to watch for more frustrating then fun for me, because this style of play is so limiting to his other teammates on the floor with him and ultimately the team as a whole. He took 30 shots, 22 of them were possessions without a pass would be my guess. 85% of Wolves possessions are 0-2 passes I bet and the pass a rarely to get a teammates a wide open look. I'm hoping they lose every game this year.
As for that offensive foul on Kat, I thought it was 100% an offensive foul, he extents that elbow a lot, he did so even more on that possession. His emotional immaturity was in full display last night. Also, we've become the clippers in term of complaining about calls. Tibs favorite phrase during the game "C'mon man", he must say that 100 times. How about try coaching instead of yelling at the refs all game, every call, every possession, it's little league!
I know Benz will be disappointed Kat didn't hit a 3 last night. He can't talk about Kat streak anymore! How about when he said Kat purposely changed his height from 6'11 to 7 ft for that stat along!! Can't make it up! Oh Kitty Kat, someday hopefully you get it!!
Q12543 wrote:The other thing is that Detroit's offense generated a lot of corner 3's, which is the shortest distance from beyond the arc. Our offense seems to rely on 3's "above the break", which are all longer 3's. Perhaps we'd be a better 3-point shooting team if we tried to create more corner 3 looks.
I'm so exasperated with the shooting issue....why is it so effing hard for this franchise to defend the 3 and make 3s!?
Well, first of all you won't make threes if you don't take them. Taking 15 fewer threes than Detroit last night was more telling than our 27% shooting from behind the arc. And even our lower percentage isn't a mystery. As you pointed out, we take more difficult threes than most teams. We take more lower percentage threes from further out and fewer uncontested threes. Both result at least in part from the lack of ball movement. The Wolves offense tends to be confined to one side of the court while most other teams swing the ball from one side to the other repeatedly and quickly. So we'll often have a lonely guy standing in one corner or another behind the arc who never touches the ball and never even sees the ball on his side of the court.
Lip you've hit it in the head. We haven't been coached right for 3 years in regards to what you're talking about. Rose has been fun to watch for more frustrating then fun for me, because this style of play is so limiting to his other teammates on the floor with him and ultimately the team as a whole. He took 30 shots, 22 of them were possessions without a pass would be my guess. 85% of Wolves possessions are 0-2 passes I bet and the pass a rarely to get a teammates a wide open look. I'm hoping they lose every game this year.
As for that offensive foul on Kat, I thought it was 100% an offensive foul, he extents that elbow a lot, he did so even more on that possession. His emotional immaturity was in full display last night. Also, we've become the clippers in term of complaining about calls. Tibs favorite phrase during the game "C'mon man", he must say that 100 times. How about try coaching instead of yelling at the refs all game, every call, every possession, it's little league!
The wolves are 20th in NBA in passes.
23rd in wide open 3s attempts (6+ ft more in defense)
18th in open 3 attempts.
13th in the NBA in assists
I know we complain a lot about the looks that we get but they are terrible at getting open looks from 3. Of course it could get better but we get solid open looks
Q12543 wrote:As much as Rose can be frustrating at times with his tunnel vision, damn does he do some crafty stuff out there. The up and under reverses, bank shots, and hesitation dribble drive moves are a thing of beauty. Kyrie might be one of the only guys that is as innovative in and around the paint. In this age of 3's and Frees, it's kinda fun to watch a guy so good at squeezing shots off amongst the trees.
(that being said, he's a 6th man scorer, not a starting NBA PG IMO).
I'm still frustrated when he takes on 2-3 defenders in the paint. He needs to be a better passer and hit the open guy rather then throwing up a tough shot.
Duke13 wrote:Thx for those stats Keek, better then I thought by no means impressive however.
I agree. I was just pointing out that I think we (including myself) see the wolves all time and we see a style of ball we don't like so we think we are the worst at it when it is not the case.
longstrangetrip wrote:Disappointing loss, but I have to admit I enjoyed watching it. We're not going to win many games though where our 2 max players go 12-32, and our DPOY candidate looks more like Rose on defense. Wig had terrible shot selection, KAT clearly didn't want to be anywhere near Drummond on the offensive side but just hung around outside the arc, and Roco just doesn't look the same on defense since he hurt his knee (although he doesn't look hurt).
Still, there was much I enjoyed, and most of it was from the second team. I'm not surprised Okogie was +9 in his 31 minutes...he seems to do something noteworthy on every defensive possession, and has a surprising impact on offense even when he goes 0-4. I think he is really going to be good. Saric is so much better than I thought when we traded for him (and I loved the trade!). Is he our only player who knows how to get himself open for the corner 3? I love Tyus Jones...he hustles so much on defense and is so disruptive, and the ball moves beautifully when he is running the point. Not surprised he was +7 despite shooting 0-3. These three players just know how to play winning basketball, and all three need to get regular minutes.
And I'm sorry, but Derrick Rose is really fun to watch. I agree that he over-dribbled last night again, but at least his over-dribbling often turns into points (unlike Teague). And while his defense is sub-par, I concurred with Jim Pete's compliments of his hard work on defense last night.
When Drummond hit that desperation three, I knew it just wasn't our night. And we need RoCo to return to defensive form. But I'm not too disappointed in last night...I still think this is a playoff team.
LST, lots of positive comments from you in our losses. Holiday spirit?
Ha, maybe a little!. But despite the disappointing loss, I enjoyed much of the game. The addition of Okogie, Saric and RoCo makes this team much more watchable, and frankly they're more watchable when Teague isn't playing.
