Game Report - Wolves v Pistons

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

[Lipoli390]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I can tell you that KAT calls for the ball a lot. Wiggins not so much. But in both cases, our point guards, except for Tyus, often fail to get them the ball. The ball rarely swings from side to side and player-spacing is poor, sometimes with all five players inside the arc. We have an iso offense run by whoever the PG is. That's the offense Thibodeau used in Chicago when Rose was the PG and the best player in the League. It's the offense Thibodeau has been using since his arrival here. He traded Rubio because Ricky wasn't Thibodeau's kind of PG.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

[Lipoli390]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree, Q. You nailed it. Not running elbow action down the stretch with KAT, the Wolves best offensive player, is ridiculous. Now we have Saric as another big who the offensive could be run through, but of course Thibs won't.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree, Q. You nailed it. Not running elbow action down the stretch with KAT, the Wolves best offensive player, is ridiculous. Now we have Saric as another big who the offensive could be run through, but of course Thibs won't.

My point was kat and wiggs are getting paid max dollars to basically be bystanders during winning time. But at the same time they take alot of the heat for not being able to help the team win.

I like our team. I like the fit and depth of the players. Ive mentioned that thibs has a trust issue with our players outside of his ex bulls. 2 years ago, yes, we struggled to close games, but that was with 2 20 yr olds carrying the bulk of the offense. You expect some rough patches but hope for some growth with experience. However, in the past 2 years, theyve basically had the ball taken out of their hands.

[Monster]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree, Q. You nailed it. Not running elbow action down the stretch with KAT, the Wolves best offensive player, is ridiculous. Now we have Saric as another big who the offensive could be run through, but of course Thibs won't.

I can't remember who posted it but there there was an article written about Thibs used triangle type sets about as much as any coach while he was in Chicago.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree, Q. You nailed it. Not running elbow action down the stretch with KAT, the Wolves best offensive player, is ridiculous. Now we have Saric as another big who the offensive could be run through, but of course Thibs won't.

I can't remember who posted it but there there was an article written about Thibs used triangle type sets about as much as any coach while he was in Chicago.

https://youtu.be/W_3hjMoP6LQ

Great ball movement in some of those thib sets.

Thats it. I watched this when thibs was hired and thought he could do some things with kat, wiggs, and rubio. We ran double horns with those 3 efficiently in their last year. I was aldo hoping thibs would use kat like he did noah in the offense. But i was wrong about everything thibs related.

[Duke13]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree Q with diversifying our sets. I'm not a fan of the Kat post up and his jump hook either. It seems likes it's one or the other. Straight iso or the straight post for Kat with nothing else. The spacing and movement is usually poor for Kat in those situations

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree, Q. You nailed it. Not running elbow action down the stretch with KAT, the Wolves best offensive player, is ridiculous. Now we have Saric as another big who the offensive could be run through, but of course Thibs won't.

My point was kat and wiggs are getting paid max dollars to basically be bystanders during winning time. But at the same time they take alot of the heat for not being able to help the team win.

I like our team. I like the fit and depth of the players. Ive mentioned that thibs has a trust issue with our players outside of his ex bulls. 2 years ago, yes, we struggled to close games, but that was with 2 20 yr olds carrying the bulk of the offense. You expect some rough patches but hope for some growth with experience. However, in the past 2 years, theyve basically had the ball taken out of their hands.

Well, I don't really have a problem with Wigs being a bystander. He has bad handles and is a mediocre shot maker. Until he proves he can efficiently put points on the board, we're better off with him not involved late in games except as a floor spacer. I'm fine with trying to engage him early in halves.

KAT is a different story. Not that he's the most clutch player either, but we gotta find ways to get him touches and put him in spots to make plays late in games. And it just isn't a straight up post up or pick and pop 3. More can be done.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Guys like kat, wiggins saric etc.. dont get the ball as much late in games, is it by design or are they just not demanding the ball enough. Listening to guys like shaq, kat needs to demand the ball to get touches. People have commented on wiggs going straight to the corner and standing there. Rubio had that job to stay in the corner before the exbulls came aboard.

This has been going on for a couple of years now game after game, so wondering what others thought.

I think especially in close games, Thibs priority is to ensure we get a shot off. The more you pass it around and run motion sets, the more likely something goes wrong with an errant pass or deflection. That might be fine early in halves, but as things get tight near the end the worst thing that can happen is turning the ball over. The more you clear everyone out and go one-on-one with your best ball handler, the less likely you are to turn it over. I think that's a big part of his logic.

My biggest beef is that he NEVER runs action from the elbows extended with KAT or Saric. Give these guys the ball and run some stuff around them - handoffs, cuts, high-low, etc. Remember the triangle offense? One of the big tenets was a big getting the ball around the elbow and then running action from there. I'm not suggesting we go 100% triangle, but there is so much more Thibs could do to diversify our sets and stop relying so much on third tier PGs like Rose and Teague to make every decision.

I agree, Q. You nailed it. Not running elbow action down the stretch with KAT, the Wolves best offensive player, is ridiculous. Now we have Saric as another big who the offensive could be run through, but of course Thibs won't.

I can't remember who posted it but there there was an article written about Thibs used triangle type sets about as much as any coach while he was in Chicago.

https://youtu.be/W_3hjMoP6LQ

Great ball movement in some of those thib sets.

Thats it. I watched this when thibs was hired and thought he could do some things with kat, wiggs, and rubio. We ran double horns with those 3 efficiently in their last year. I was aldo hoping thibs would use kat like he did noah in the offense. But i was wrong about everything thibs related.

That's just it. Noah led the team in assists one year, so Thibs is perfectly capable of running offensive sets through a big man. I think he is so obsessed with KAT as a floor spacer and how that theoretically opens things up for our PGs.