Jimmy Butler traded to Philly

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Richardson may be the best piece now, but he's not a significantly better player than Covington. Saric versus Waiters and a late first round pick should be a no brainer towards Saric. He's the youngest player in the deal and he's a modern NBA 4 who can shoot threes and switches on defense. Saric actually has the most upside of anyone in the deal and yet the comparisons seem to be stuck on Covington versus J Rich only.

J Rich last year: 12.9/3.5/2.9/1.5/.9
Saric last year: 14.6/6.7/2.6/.7/.3

And Saric was the 4th option on a second round playoff team at 23.

J Rich May have taken a step forward this year and Saric back, but there's only been a month of basketball. Guys get off to hot and slow starts all the time. That will be a comparison to keep an eye on for the rest of the year.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I would of preferred this deal to the Philly deal. We definitely would of lacked wing depth. 1st rounders are very valuable right now. The Pels are desperate to keep AD. But I know Tibs didn't want to trade Butler to the west. Smh

Unprotected firsts from playoff teams are getting extremely overvalued on this board. For every Okogie there is an Adrian Payne that gets drafted and it's honestly much more often a Payne gets drafted that late than an Okogie. Real NBA players matter at some point.

[kekgeek]

I would of preferred this deal to the Philly deal. We definitely would of lacked wing depth. 1st rounders are very valuable right now. The Pels are desperate to keep AD. But I know Tibs didn't want to trade Butler to the west. Smh

The sixers trade is better. Mirotic is 28 and hasn't played over 70 games since his rookie year. Mirotic is a UFA. Also the pick would be in the 20s and we help a west team get a lot better if it works out.

Mirotic is a good player but injury history, defense and contract situation makes him undesirable in my opinion

[Duke13]

The counter argument to your stats Kahns is Richardson plays a more premium position in the league right now and is a two way player.

With the way the league is going especially in playoff series is small, as I'm sure you know and understand. Not sure where Saric fits in with where the league is at right now.

[kekgeek]

I wont fault anyone who would of rather of wanted Richardson. I think it all comes down to how good Richardson actually ends up. If he becomes a multi time all star and a top 40 player in the NBA the wolves probably made a mistake. But if he doesn't become that and is a good player but not all star level, I don't believe taking waiters contact on was with it at all. Also based on butlers injury history and where the heat currently are that 1st could of been a 2nd.

In the end I think Richardson has the chance to be the best player of him, saric and Covington but I don't think he was going to be a multi time all star. So I didn't want 2 for sure un-tradable contracts in dieng and waiters for 3 years and arguably another one in Wiggins

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

The counter argument to your stats Kahns is Richardson plays a more premium position in the league right now and is a two way player.

With the way the league is going especially in playoff series is small, as I'm sure you know and understand. Not sure where Saric fits in with where the league is at right now.

I don't think you really understand how Saric plays based on your posts. You're questioning his fit in this league when he is as modern a 4 as it gets. He switches on defense. He played next to two elite rebounders in Simmons and Embiid so who knows what he can actually do now with more opportunity. He's posted defensive win shares similar to Taj over Taj's career. He's Taj statistically with a 3pt shot. I don't really understand why you think he doesn't fit in this league. He's exactly a fit for this league.

[Duke13]

With the league moving towards more "position-less" I know that's probably over used term but it holds true. He's gonna have to guard on the perimeter, I think there are serious questions whether he can do that and I'm sure thats ultimately why Philly did this trade. Yes he's a very unique and skilled player offensively and I'm sure he will grab more boards. But can he guard in today's game is a big question in my eyes. Especially in the playoffs when individual matchup are more exploited. I don't think we need to worry about the playoffs personally. I wasn't buying your optimism before the season and don't see much reason shift from that.

[Lipoli390]

The counter argument to your stats Kahns is Richardson plays a more premium position in the league right now and is a two way player.

With the way the league is going especially in playoff series is small, as I'm sure you know and understand. Not sure where Saric fits in with where the league is at right now.

I don't think you really understand how Saric plays based on your posts. You're questioning his fit in this league when he is as modern a 4 as it gets. He switches on defense. He played next to two elite rebounders in Simmons and Embiid so who knows what he can actually do now with more opportunity. He's posted defensive win shares similar to Taj over Taj's career. He's Taj statistically with a 3pt shot. I don't really understand why you think he doesn't fit in this league. He's exactly a fit for this league.

Kahns - I share Duke's view on Saric. But I respect your basketball acumen as well as Cam's and both of you are high on Saric. So you two have me more intrigued with acquisition of Saric than I would have otherwise been. I hope you both turn out to be right about him as a talent and as a fit for this team going forward. But I still worry that, even if you and Cam are completely right about Saric, that he won't be here long given the fact that he's nearing the end of his contract.

[Monster]

I would of preferred this deal to the Philly deal. We definitely would of lacked wing depth. 1st rounders are very valuable right now. The Pels are desperate to keep AD. But I know Tibs didn't want to trade Butler to the west. Smh

The sixers trade is better. Mirotic is 28 and hasn't played over 70 games since his rookie year. Mirotic is a UFA. Also the pick would be in the 20s and we help a west team get a lot better if it works out.

Mirotic is a good player but injury history, defense and contract situation makes him undesirable in my opinion

Mirotic's advanced defensive numbers have improved so that's worth noting. He is a nice player (turns 28 in Feb) but only getting him and some draft pick in the 20's while possibly having to pay him a bunch of money (dude is putting up 20/10) after this offseason might not be the way to go. It would have left a pretty big hole on the wing if we got nothing back. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense of you want to resign Mirotic. You want to look like you are going to compete if you want to resign him. Ultimately with the Sixers deal the hope would be that Saric ends up being a similar type impact player for less money plus you have Covington. Sending Jimmy east makes it an even easier decision. Mirotic has turned into what looks like a pretty dang good player and another example of how guys may not exactly done developing when they hit 26 or whatever. His fit with AD is a bit of a blueprint of how Saric could end up being part of the solution here. I would not have hated adding Mirotic though.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

The counter argument to your stats Kahns is Richardson plays a more premium position in the league right now and is a two way player.

With the way the league is going especially in playoff series is small, as I'm sure you know and understand. Not sure where Saric fits in with where the league is at right now.

I don't think you really understand how Saric plays based on your posts. You're questioning his fit in this league when he is as modern a 4 as it gets. He switches on defense. He played next to two elite rebounders in Simmons and Embiid so who knows what he can actually do now with more opportunity. He's posted defensive win shares similar to Taj over Taj's career. He's Taj statistically with a 3pt shot. I don't really understand why you think he doesn't fit in this league. He's exactly a fit for this league.

Kahns - I share Duke's view on Saric. But I respect your basketball acumen as well as Cam's and both of you are high on Saric. So you two have me more intrigued with acquisition of Saric than I would have otherwise been. I hope you both turn out to be right about him as a talent and as a fit for this team going forward. But I still worry that, even if you and Cam are completely right about Saric, that he won't be here long given the fact that he's nearing the end of his contract.

He's a restricted free agent so what is causing him to leave in your eyes?